Flybe in trouble ?
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If a government handout (from taxpayers that's you and I), then I'd rather the government buy the whole lot for £2.4 million as was the most recent purchase price and nationalise it for a future sell off rather like the banks.
What I am opposed to is a government bailout to private equity firms and multi billionaire owners, for them to continue to run a failing business and reward themselves huge salaries, bonuses and siphon off capital into third party holding companies.
The hard working frontline staff deserve better than these greedy owners and their overpaid, inept and failing management.
What I am opposed to is a government bailout to private equity firms and multi billionaire owners, for them to continue to run a failing business and reward themselves huge salaries, bonuses and siphon off capital into third party holding companies.
The hard working frontline staff deserve better than these greedy owners and their overpaid, inept and failing management.
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Best of luck to Flybe and its staff. They are (for me) a convenient way to get from London to Aberdeen. A bit pricey but that's the price of convenience, no?
The only "issue" I've ever had is when LCY was not allowing anyone to land due to weather. The Flybe reps kept us informed, helped me re-book for free when I decided that my trip wasn't worth doing - 90% of the time I go to Aberdeen I fly back same-day. On a day of chaos they were professional and courteous.
Every time I have flown with them I've had no complaints whatsoever.
The only "issue" I've ever had is when LCY was not allowing anyone to land due to weather. The Flybe reps kept us informed, helped me re-book for free when I decided that my trip wasn't worth doing - 90% of the time I go to Aberdeen I fly back same-day. On a day of chaos they were professional and courteous.
Every time I have flown with them I've had no complaints whatsoever.
Until experiencing a fair number of delays, cancellations and poor customer service (not from the excellent front line crews I must add), I was a fairly regular user of Flybe. For the reasons given I completely stopped using them from mid 2014. Fortunately the route I traveled most frequently offered me other options. Having said that I would prefer to see the personnel keep their jobs and for the airline to survive and flourish again. Good luck to all.
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Some very stupid postings above. BE do not "deserve to go bust" because of some high fares. Perhaps Tinwald's company deserve to go bust for some arbitrary reason. Not nice for employees to read.
As for the idiot who cites unfeasible routings like BRS-NQY being expensive, he/she needs to shut up. Imagine how much a LGW-LHR costs by air, (via say GLA) compared to the bus fare?
And they and others are unable to spell. Or identify an airline...BEE? Dear God.
As for the idiot who cites unfeasible routings like BRS-NQY being expensive, he/she needs to shut up. Imagine how much a LGW-LHR costs by air, (via say GLA) compared to the bus fare?
And they and others are unable to spell. Or identify an airline...BEE? Dear God.
Wow, I’ve flown with some guys over the years with suspect CRM qualities, but I think you’d probably surpass them all...... Dear God!!......
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From a north-east perspective, it has never ceased to amaze me how competitive Flybe fares are compared with the train. Travelling to and from the NE to the Midlands, South and South West, the trains are slow, extremely expensive, overcrowded, squalid, usually late and recently mostly cancelled. I have saved £000's by flying to EXE or SOU rather than taking the train. However, that has been because of my own research rather than any brand awareness building by Flybe. Their marketing has been completely ineffective.
There is nothing idiotic for a visiting non UK resident to look up available routes from one place to another, most people do this when in foreign parts.
Politeness within these forums goes a long way, perhaps Mr. Hudd should address the forum rules that relate to ad hominem
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Presumably fairly catastrophic for airports like EXT and SOU at least in the short term but I don't suppose they have the financial wherewithal to help the airline significantly. Layoffs followed by pitches to other carriers to try to pick up the slack but it would take time - especially as nobody else has the right equipment. Fingers Xd for all involved.
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The reported delayed APD payments amounts to a similar sum to the original proposed bailout from Connect. So did Connect Airways (Cyrus / Stobart / Virgin) put in the promised £100m? Or did the promise of a takeover release the credit card acquirers' withholdings and enable Flybe to carry on until now without a massive injection of cash? Or a combination of the two? Or was the promised cash injection smoke and mirrors and funding may now end up coming from the public purse rather than the consortium?
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The reported delayed APD payments amounts to a similar sum to the original proposed bailout from Connect. So did Connect Airways (Cyrus / Stobart / Virgin) put in the promised £100m? Or did the promise of a takeover release the credit card acquirers' withholdings and enable Flybe to carry on until now without a massive injection of cash? Or a combination of the two? Or was the promised cash injection smoke and mirrors and funding may now end up coming from the public purse rather than the consortium?
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This from the objectionable Roy Hudd character who has to stand corrected for his ineptitude.
There is nothing idiotic for a visiting non UK resident to look up available routes from one place to another, most people do this when in foreign parts.
Politeness within these forums goes a long way, perhaps Mr. Hudd should address the forum rules that relate to ad hominem
There is nothing idiotic for a visiting non UK resident to look up available routes from one place to another, most people do this when in foreign parts.
Politeness within these forums goes a long way, perhaps Mr. Hudd should address the forum rules that relate to ad hominem
100% agree Sir 👍🏻👍🏻
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If the government do some sort of deal that helps FlyBe out of their current mess then there will be calls from all the other competitors for the same treatment.
Solving one problem will only create many others. O’Leary will go nuts as will BA, EasyJet and anyone else that offers domestic flights. And rightly so.
Solving one problem will only create many others. O’Leary will go nuts as will BA, EasyJet and anyone else that offers domestic flights. And rightly so.
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If the government do some sort of deal that helps FlyBe out of their current mess then there will be calls from all the other competitors for the same treatment.
Solving one problem will only create many others. O’Leary will go nuts as will BA, EasyJet and anyone else that offers domestic flights. And rightly so.
Solving one problem will only create many others. O’Leary will go nuts as will BA, EasyJet and anyone else that offers domestic flights. And rightly so.
I appreciate that some Flybe services are essential but the government would be better placed to financially support these few routes and have Eastern, Loganair etc. operate them.
Let them take over FlyBe's routes then - ALL of them - and see if they can provide the same excellent service.
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If the government do some sort of deal that helps FlyBe out of their current mess then there will be calls from all the other competitors for the same treatment.
Solving one problem will only create many others. O’Leary will go nuts as will BA, EasyJet and anyone else that offers domestic flights. And rightly so.
Solving one problem will only create many others. O’Leary will go nuts as will BA, EasyJet and anyone else that offers domestic flights. And rightly so.
Actually Flybe in theory should be going nuts, paying the same amount of "environment" Tax as Ryanair BA and Easy, yet in a far far more eco friendly aircraft... that seems fair too
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If FlyBe are losing money with their current routes and structures why would anybody want to take it over? They might be able to sell off any profitable bits but at this stage it is nothing more than a fire sale. As has always happened, the competition will wait until they can pick off the bits they want from the liquidators.
Hopefully they can find a way/backer but it is not the government’s job to prop up loss making airlines.
Hopefully they can find a way/backer but it is not the government’s job to prop up loss making airlines.
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Politeness aside, I earnestly hope Flybe survive. The APD solution may be the way forward, which would save the government's face and enable 2000 aviation jobs to continue, as well as improving the lot of UK airlines. Having 3 times lost a flying job due to inept management and government intransigence, I am well aware of the misery that sudden unemployment brings.
Unpleasant comments along the lines of " they deserve to go bust", and "it takes 9 hours to fly from Bristol to Newquay and is very expensive compared to the bus" are unhelpful and even hurtful to those folks clinging on to their job hopes.
As for my CRM, irrelevant to the thread, just personal remarks made to express the writers' annoyance. No big deal, and as I say, irrelevant.
Unpleasant comments along the lines of " they deserve to go bust", and "it takes 9 hours to fly from Bristol to Newquay and is very expensive compared to the bus" are unhelpful and even hurtful to those folks clinging on to their job hopes.
As for my CRM, irrelevant to the thread, just personal remarks made to express the writers' annoyance. No big deal, and as I say, irrelevant.
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Politeness aside, I earnestly hope Flybe survive. The APD solution may be the way forward, which would save the government's face and enable 2000 aviation jobs to continue, as well as improving the lot of UK airlines. Having 3 times lost a flying job due to inept management and government intransigence, I am well aware of the misery that sudden unemployment brings.
Unpleasant comments along the lines of " they deserve to go bust", and "it takes 9 hours to fly from Bristol to Newquay and is very expensive compared to the bus" are unhelpful and even hurtful to those folks clinging on to their job hopes.
As for my CRM, irrelevant to the thread, just personal remarks made to express the writers' annoyance. No big deal, and as I say, irrelevant.
Unpleasant comments along the lines of " they deserve to go bust", and "it takes 9 hours to fly from Bristol to Newquay and is very expensive compared to the bus" are unhelpful and even hurtful to those folks clinging on to their job hopes.
As for my CRM, irrelevant to the thread, just personal remarks made to express the writers' annoyance. No big deal, and as I say, irrelevant.
However, my comments, and those of other posters too I understand, were referring only to your general tone, not to the fortunes of Flybe.
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If we are going to get pedantic then let’s be clear about this argument. FlyBe do not pay the APD. They collect it from the customer and pass it on to HMRC. It is not their money.