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Old 13th Jan 2020, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Locker10a
very sad to hear this, is there more substance/rumour to the aircraft being remotely parked tonight ?
I’ve an early morning flight with them in the morning, hope it goes mostly for the staff many who’ve given many years of service
And some of these people are the same people who went through the ringer six/seven years ago and relocated families from the Channel Islands etc. my thoughts are with everyone at Flybe but especially those who upped sticks for the sole purpose of a job with Flybe who now have no job either in their new locales or back home. Terrible situation.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:11
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ICAO codes are not employed much in Europe

Roy, ICAO codes are used by all ATC units in Europe. When ATC and or pilots talk socially we use ICAO codes (or callsigns). Most ATC guys wouldn't use IATA codes for the good reason that they don't know most of them.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:38
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Thank you.

I never talk socially using IATA or ICAO codes. Perhaps I am not a pilot after all. I did think I was. I am certainly not an ATC guy/lady.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:54
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Sky News now reporting that ministerial talks will take place tomorrow regarding deferment of APD taxes due in turn for significant investment from the owners. Fingers crossed.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:56
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Originally Posted by SometimeFlyer
Sad news, good airline and great people. Fingers crossed.
No. An appalling airline with a disgraceful attitude to its passengers. The ‘flymaybe’ epithet was well deserved.

As someone who has routinely suffered their awful service, it’s good riddance.

I should add, it used to be a very different animal, and I’m sure there were individuals working there who tried hard, but the overall offering was unpalatable and not fit for the modern marketplace.

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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:58
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The significant investment was already supposed to be done in exchange for being allowed purchase the company rather than the last management team
sending it in to administration. The taxman will never recoup this 100m APD if repayment is deferred.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:08
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Originally Posted by Kit Sanbumps KG
No. An appalling airline with a disgraceful attitude to its passengers.

As someone who has routinely suffered their awful service, it’s good riddance.

I should add, it used to be a very different animal.

Well you're a lovely character arn't you? Thanks for that!

Let's hope you never fall on uneven ground, you may hate Flybe for no doubt unrealistic reasons, but they keep a roof over many families heads.
What a vile person you are
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Kit Sanbumps KG
No. An appalling airline with a disgraceful attitude to its passengers.

As someone who has routinely suffered their awful service, it’s good riddance.

I should add, it used to be a very different animal.
I will never say good riddance as I feel for the crews and staff involved but let’s not kid ourselves it is a good airline.

I recently got charged £35 for my cabin bag as it was too big to fit in the stupid abnormally small gauges. To add insult to injury, I quite literally walked it to the baggage handlers myself at the side of the dash 8. 35 quid for 6 kg bag on a 30 minute flight? Unbelievable.

60% of the passengers had the same problem as I did and probably (like myself) said I’m not flying with this tin pot organisation again.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:16
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Shock news: a 4-abreast cabin has smaller lockers than a 6-abreast one. If only Flybe had bought 737s or A320s ...
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:17
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No truth to parking rumour re EDI , ops normal . GLA Ops normal too.

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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:19
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Originally Posted by Livesinafield
Well you're a lovely character arn't you? Thanks for that!

Let's hope you never fall on uneven ground, you may hate Flybe for no doubt unrealistic reasons, but they keep a roof over many families heads.
What a vile person you are
Perfectly realistic reasons: many unpleasant flights, often delayed, sometimes cancelled, completely unreliable, never comfortable, mediocre service at best, and the Q400 is an appalling machine from the passenger’s perspective. Truth hurts, I guess.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:27
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Shock news: a 4-abreast cabin has smaller lockers than a 6-abreast one. If only Flybe had bought 737s or A320s ...
True but most people have no idea what aircraft they are flying on and if the lockers are too small for most peoples bags, they should be tagged and loaded for free like every other airline i’ve ever flown on. Flybe used to do this.....

Anyway, you are missing the point, crap customer service and the only airline I’ve ever used that literally charges at the gate, and that includes the Irish lot.

I do still hope they pull through, customer service can be fixed, people losing houses is a different matter.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Kit Sanbumps KG
Perfectly realistic reasons: many unpleasant flights, often delayed, sometimes cancelled, completely unreliable, never comfortable, mediocre service at best, and the Q400 is an appalling machine from the passenger’s perspective. Truth hurts, I guess.
Not my experience. I've been MAN EDI once a week rtn for the last three years, only twice had a flight cancelled and rarely late. It’s been an excellent service, staff superb.

They changed the cabin bag size last year and it is a crazy small bag now that is allowed but they do tell you on booking (twice, once again with an email pre flight) to check your bag dimensions.

Here’s hoping they can keep going!
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Nil further
No truth to parking rumour re EDI , ops normal . GLA Ops normal too.

Flybe aircraft are Edinburgh for the mornings departures are on Stands 28/33/30/29/31/32/309 which are remote stands looking at relevant charts - however flights have used these stands throughout the 13th so I wouldn’t look into it
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 00:17
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Originally Posted by DooblerChina
True but most people have no idea what aircraft they are flying on and if the lockers are too small for most peoples bags, they should be tagged and loaded for free like every other airline i’ve ever flown on. Flybe used to do this.....
The hand luggage size allowed is published on the website.

If your complaint was they are wrongly enforcing something smaller, I expect we'd have heard that already.

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Old 14th Jan 2020, 05:11
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Flybe were featured on Rip off Britain again ast week by advertising a bag which proved to exceed its own dimensions. The poor guy was charged £40 to put it in the hold.
On a different note would someone explain why the government are thrasing out a deal to defer APD for three years when they wouldn't help Thomas Cook at all?
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 05:56
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Flybe were featured on Rip off Britain again ast week by advertising a bag which proved to exceed its own dimensions. The poor guy was charged £40 to put it in the hold.
On a different note would someone explain why the government are thrasing out a deal to defer APD for three years when they wouldn't help Thomas Cook at all?
Primarily because Thomas Cook were a holiday airline and Flybe's remit is regional/lifeline connectivity, which the Govt have championed as key to their post-election strategy.
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 06:03
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Originally Posted by crewmeal
Flybe were featured on Rip off Britain again ast week by advertising a bag which proved to exceed its own dimensions. The poor guy was charged £40 to put it in the hold.
On a different note would someone explain why the government are thrashing out a deal to defer APD for three years when they wouldn't help Thomas Cook at all?
There are quite a few potential reasons.
The obvious one is that the numbers involved in propping up Flybe are tiny compared to a TC rescue. The final bill is another argument.
Flybe, it can be argued, is a vital part of UK infrastructure for regional communications.
There has been a change of government and the purse strings have been loosened.
Brexit is no longer sapping almost all the government's resources..
A modification to APD is politically more acceptable than a full rescue package.
There are probably more reasons.
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 06:22
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If a government handout (from taxpayers that's you and I), then I'd rather the government buy the whole lot for £2.4 million as was the most recent purchase price and nationalise it for a future sell off rather like the banks.
What I am opposed to is a government bailout to private equity firms and multi billionaire owners, for them to continue to run a failing business and reward themselves huge salaries, bonuses and siphon off capital into third party holding companies.
The hard working frontline staff deserve better than these greedy owners and their overpaid, inept and failing management.
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 06:32
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As someone whose laptop was successfully recovered, the following day, from a Flybe flight to Southend last week, I'd be very sorrry to see them go.

Losing point-to-point connections across the Channel would also be a blow. Getting to south-west England from abroad without travelling via a hub (rail or air) used to be a lot easier than it is now.
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