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Ukrainian Aircraft down in Iran

Old 8th Jan 2020, 05:30
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https://news.sky.com/story/airliner-...rport-11903445

The video in the above article shows a piece of the fuselage with what looks like shrapnel damage to it.

However it is to way to early to lay blame! It could also have been an uncontained engine failure resulting in a fire in a ruptured fuel tank.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 05:52
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Would suggest that this particular subject is so sensitive to the welfare of a very large number of people around the world that it be suspended. The usual level of rhetoric that occurs on these pages may end up being consequential to actions by others. This is a dangerous time, and a dangerous situation, and those in charge have shown a propensity to use "intel" from any source, irrespective of veracity.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:19
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Trustworthy Iran?

I suggest all reports are discounted.

(An engine fire does not bring an aircraft down rapidly.)
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:20
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The B738 was quite new, only 3 years old.
Even if it is for some hard to accept: It looks like a tragic accident, no attack.

Engine failure on one engine alone surely does not necessarily lead to a crash. But the human factor has always to be considered.

According to Iranian sources, most of the passengers were Iranians. RIP
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:21
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Direct flight from Iran to Ukraine with 180 people wanted to travel on that route? It appears from Ukrainian Airlines website that there is a flight everyday. What is the connection we might think about.? Energy ?

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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:25
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Originally Posted by Bueno Hombre
Direct flight from Iran to Ukraine with 180 people wanted to travel on that route? What is the connection we might think about.? Energy ?
Lots of connecting flights out of Kiev to Europe + Caucasus
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:26
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Whatever happened left a massive debris field.



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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:27
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Some photos here too: https://en.mehrnews.com/photo/154308...-after-takeoff
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:27
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
TEEEJ, what crash is your photo showing on the previous page? Sources please, or people will get the wrong end of the stick, again.
The source and even the photographer's name is watermarked in the very image you are looking at!

Higher resolution:



Other images from ISNA:










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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:28
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Reuters photo:




https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Dr...?itok=b1rssGBX

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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:34
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Not official:
15 Ukranians
71 Iranians
73 Canadians
8 Swedes
6 Afghanis
4 Germans
3 Brits
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What engine type was fitted?

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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:50
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So many of the photos including tail section showing what looks like inward facing frag damage. Officials very hasty to say fire only brought it down. Hmm.
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Something exploded a a few seconds before impact (fuel tank?) so fragmentation damage would not be unexpected.

If airport workers saw the fire on takeoff that would be pretty conclusive of not being terror or a missile.

I think we should avoid trying to make a dangerous situation worse this is not a tv show. I rather like running water and electricity and don’t believe Jesus is coming so I am not in favor of World War III
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Wee Weasley Welshman
What engine type was fitted?
All 737NGs have CFM56-7B engines, in this case a -7B24E.
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Skin damage

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Dots on the aircraft skin could be telling.
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power lines

Flash just before main impact flash in that video could have been a strike on those pylon lines. Typically 400kv.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 07:40
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Originally Posted by SysDude
Definitely frag from an external source.
Engine explosion could have done those.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 08:13
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Originally Posted by vanHorck
Do we know how long the airplane was airborne? 8000 ft final altitude and Teheran Airport elevation 3,300 ft suggests a climb of 4,700 ft or approx 3 minutes climb @ 1800 ft/min.
Would an aircraft climb this high if there was an early issue such as the Concorde scenario some mentioned?
Two minutes and 24 seconds elapsed between the first airborne transmission (at about 350' AAL) and the last received at FL80.
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Originally Posted by giord
Update 10:20 / Engine failure caused the crash of a Ukrainian airliner in Iran, rather than a missile attack or act of terrorism, the Ukrainian embassy to Iran said on Wednesday. One of the black boxes has been recovered, Iran’s state broadcaster IRIB reported. The pilots of the Boeing 737-800 did not declare an emergency, Iranian media said, quoting an official of the Iran Civil Aviation Organization.
Initially, Ukraine's embassy in Iran said on Wednesday morning that engine failure caused the plane to crash and denied that it was terror-related or that a rocket had hit the aircraft.

But it later withdrew this statement, saying that anything was possible, and Mr Zelensky instructed Ukraine's prosecutors to open criminal proceedings over the crash.
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ne-boeing-737/
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