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Old 27th Dec 2019, 02:11
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Plane crashes near Kazakhstan airport

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Plane with 100 people on board crashes near airport in Kazakhstan's largest city Almaty

They say the Bek Air aircraft went down shortly after taking off at Almaty airport on Friday morning local time.
Emergency service personnel have rushed to the scene. Seven deaths have been confirmed but it is not known if there are any survivors.The plane was en route from Almaty, Kazakhstan's largest city, to the country's capital of Nursultan.

Almaty's airport said there were 95 passengers and five crew on board. It said the plane lost height at 07:22 local time (01:22 GMT), before striking a concrete barrier and crashing into a two-storey building. Footage has emerged rescuers working at the scene. In it, a woman can be heard calling for an ambulance.

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RT.com is reporting a Bek Air flight crashed just after take-off.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 02:30
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If I have the correct one ---

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...92100#23522307
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 02:49
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... before striking a concrete barrier ...
Not that bloody concrete perimeter fence I hope.

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Old 27th Dec 2019, 03:03
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...e-100-21168658

At 0.28....looks like snow can be seen on the wings of the wreckage.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 03:39
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A few points:

Spoilers deployed.

FR24 showing it climbed to circa 3100 feet considering the field elevation of 2300 . 800 feet?

Rear mounted T tail engines.

Temp minus 11 C. Clear Ice?

Note-able similarities to the SAS MD 81 dual engine failure due ice ingestion ....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandi...nes_Flight_751

That SAS accident and todays F100 accident both occurred on DECEMBER 27 ..!
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 03:55
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Seems to be in three big chunks, and no fire which was a blessing.
Glad so many got out alive.
The runways at Almaty are very long.
It's a very fog prone airfield.

Pilots and Air traffickers can find themselves in jail there when things go wrong.
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Not overly long considering the elevation..
7 confirmed dead, I doubt that is a final figure.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 04:08
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Indeed, Cloudhopper.
Sadly, now 14 confirmed. Tragic.

Runways are 4,400 and 4,500m. Long enough to support Tu-144 operations....

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At 0.28....looks like snow can be seen on the wings of the wreckage.
Hard to tell, it could be debris from the crash.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palair...nes_Flight_301.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 06:43
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METAR around time of accident:
UAAA 270130Z 10002MPS 1000 R05L/P2000 R05R/P2000U BR FU NSC M12/M13 Q1014 R88/91//50 NOSIG=

a bit chilly
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Kazakhstan's Ministry of Interior has reported that the captain died in the accident.




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Old 27th Dec 2019, 06:58
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Originally Posted by Cloudtopper
FR24 showing it climbed to circa 3100 feet considering the field elevation of 2300 . 800 feet?
I can't see enough points on the FR24 plot to support that conclusion.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I can't see enough points on the FR24 plot to support that conclusion.
From another site:

ADS-B Data transmitted by the aircraft's transponder suggest the aircraft became airborne, climbed only to between 50 and 100 feet AGL, veered right and impacted buildings abeam of the runway about 3000 meters/10,000 feet down the runway 05R. Photographic evidence puts the final position to the right of the runway center line and about 750 meters/2500 feet past the end of the runway (4400 meters/14,400 feet length).
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Originally Posted by dfstrottersfan
flight Z92100/BEK2100
Fokker100 UP-F1007

Absent entries indicate values unchanged from previous entry.


No idea if these are actual returned values or FR24 interpolated/extrapolated fill-ins which it sometimes seems to do.

Sorry for image. One year pprune might get into the 1990's and allow some way of formatting text that I can figure out.

Values:-

CalAlt gs Track
0ft 17kts 34deg
48 56
100
135
155 53
140
2,275 146 58
2,225 132 55
2,200 76 81
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Originally Posted by unworry
From another site:

ADS-B Data transmitted by the aircraft's transponder suggest the aircraft became airborne, climbed only to between 50 and 100 feet AGL, veered right and impacted buildings abeam of the runway about 3000 meters/10,000 feet down the runway 05R. Photographic evidence puts the final position to the right of the runway center line and about 750 meters/2500 feet past the end of the runway (4400 meters/14,400 feet length).
FR24 doesn't support that analysis either, unless it's based on a different source of ADS-B data.

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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I can't see enough points on the FR24 plot to support that conclusion.

I haven’t asked for your support.
However, you could perhaps analyse the correct graph.
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Originally Posted by 3wheels
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At 0.28....looks like snow can be seen on the wings of the wreckage.
From what I can see wing appears to be clean, both the no-step markings and the registration is clearly visible.
However the F100 is indeed very sensitive to icing, with no leading edge devices. Flaps seem to be set to zero, which IS a legal t/o setting on the F70/100 series.

Failure to gain altitude ultimately boils down to either wings not producing enough lift (ice?), or engines not producing enough thrust.


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Originally Posted by Cloudtopper
I haven’t asked for your support.
However, you could perhaps analyse the correct graph.
The "graph" shows a 15-second gap between the aircraft still on the runway at 01:21:03, and in a gentle descent at 01:21:18 (at approx 50' AAL).

As for its vertical profile between those two points, your guess is as good as mine. Except that I'm not about to try.
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