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Cargo Jet makes a 360 at 100

Old 9th Dec 2019, 07:53
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Could not agree more. There is a real lack of old fashioned skills these days. A few years ago, we lost our FMC in mid flight, the inexperienced FO wanted to ask for vectors, I simply switched to VOR and followed it as you do....ATC were a bit supprised as well. Sadly we are now all magenta line followers
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Lazyload
Guys dont you think this thread has to be the most entertaining we have read on PPRuNe for quite a while? The ops intention was to chastise bad practice but instead weve got a real feel for African flying and seat of the pants raw skill. Its great to see everyone rallying up and posting clips and anecdotes. Were all a bit jaded with pickle forks and maxes. Flying has to be more fun than punching in a route in the fms.
People who are attracted to flying are natural thrill seekers. The true skill in flying is to make even the most challenging situation routine and seemingly boring. And therein lies the problem.

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Old 9th Dec 2019, 08:51
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Well put Layload.
The skills I learnt flying light twins around Southern Africa for ten years WITHOUT a wx radar or GPS have been carried through and still used to this day ( now over 17 yrs on the 777). One such skill - to the horror of some - is to look out the window!
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 10:06
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Guys don’t you think this thread has to be the most entertaining we have read on PPRuNe for quite a while?
Agree.
I actually feel at home here; I can remember checking my drift through the drift sight on the DC3.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 10:57
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Impressive SKA B727 you tube

First thing that struck me was the clean pressed shirts that they all were wearing. Some of our modern lot look as though theyve slept in theirs.
Approach he was working in the trim with his thumb..nice..proper flare rather than plonking it on and then doing his own reverse.
Did a short wet lease with Air Afrique...nothing like VNE by 3,000ft.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 11:32
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Someone above mentioned the use of a HUD... I would just point out that that piece of electronic crap bears a lot of responsibility for the crash of FZ981 (read the report) and, personally, I'm no fan of the HUD... on a CAVOK day a look out of the window coupled with some good old-fashioned stick & rudder skills is just as good (if not better) than anything the HUD can provide.... e,g, if you follow the HUD ever so accurately the blasted thing will have you landing at or beyond the end of the touchdown zone... whereas I want to land on the numbers and can do it every time (without recourse to any HUD nonsense) simply by looking out of the window coupled with +6,000 jet landings in the experience bag... but I guess the button pushing land-o-matic generation need all the electronic help they can get?!
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 12:32
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And the winner is.... The Frys 747SP. Miramar a few years ago. Watch the final pass.


At least for transport category. TAP is a very close second. If not tied for first.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 12:38
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Some of our modern lot look as though theyve slept in theirs.
Will the QF Sunrise aircraft have laundry facilities on board?

The skills I learnt flying light twins around Southern Africa
Did you have to learn the fine skill of DME Homing in SA?
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 13:28
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A bit of willy waving has seemingly crept into this thread now. The stick & rudder brigade are out to chastise the children of the magenta. The fact of the matter is, if you really want to fly an orbit at 100 in a jet transport nowadays then youre confined to clapped out freight luggers in salubrious places like Somalia. Its undoubtably a fine display of hand flying in a day and age where the art appears lost. Anyway, Im quite confident that I could pole about in my 70t+ crate however I dont consider my ability to do so as a extension of my man hood. Pilots and their universal ability to talk about how wonderful they are appears alive and well in abundance
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Callsign Kilo
A bit of willy waving has seemingly crept into this thread now.
Herod nailed it, in one brilliant, original word, in post #139.

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/627747-cargo-jet-makes-360-100i.html#post10634393

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Old 9th Dec 2019, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Old King Coal
Someone above mentioned the use of a HUD... I would just point out that that piece of electronic crap bears a lot of responsibility for the crash of FZ981 (read the report) and, personally, I'm no fan of the HUD... on a CAVOK day a look out of the window coupled with some good old-fashioned stick & rudder skills is just as good (if not better) than anything the HUD can provide..
The accident to FZ981 did not occur in CAVOK.

The poor souls flying FZ981 may not have made good use of the HUD, or may have been let down by its implementation but bringing that into this conversation seems inappropriate to me

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Old 9th Dec 2019, 19:29
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Was that AC/DC music you can hear on the video actually in the cockpit or it's just on the video?
I think it fits great there.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 19:54
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Originally Posted by The Range
Was that AC/DC music you can hear on the video actually in the cockpit or it's just on the video?
I think it fits great there.
AC/DC is a great fit for the activities being carried out here but it's definitely added "in the edit" as supposed to on the flight deck.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Callsign Kilo
Pilots and their universal ability to talk about how wonderful they are appears alive and well in abundance
Folks who fall over themselves to try and demonstrate their superiority, endlessly pestering to hand fly departures in TMAs or to do raw data ILSs, or getting a hard-on about some guy doing a 360 without crashing into the terrain! - 'meh' - but when they're faced with one of the few actual tests of real stick and rudder skills in our job - a gusty crosswind landing, or even an accurate landing at the right spot at the right speed - and their flying usually gets real ragged, verging on alarming - that don't impress me so much! Landing skills do seem to be in a worrying negative tend.

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 00:08
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Thanks everyone for generating such a hugely entertaining thread! Pprune is a secret fascination of mine not only for the deep technical knowledge and insight into fascinating topics on display, but also for the humour, ridiculousness and general humanity of the contributions. I once flew a Chipmunk for 10 minutes (or at least I thought I did) under very close control somewhere above Honington, but alas that is the total extent of my flying career. But like many of us self loading types, I admire you daredevil pilot types deeply. So, there was I, in a bar in Istanbul this weekend with my two grown up sons, neither of whom has any particular interest in your world, showing them the initial two videos from this thread and then explaining the way in which the thread, by sheer force of argument and deft marshalling of the facts by several contributors,, moved from horror and condemnation to delight and appreciation of the skills on display. And then moved into the realm of high comedy and satire with the two Baghdad posts. My lads completely got it just as I had,

Bravo pprunesters, youve created a work of art.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 01:21
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
Folks who fall over themselves to try and demonstrate their superiority, endlessly pestering to hand fly departures in TMAs or to do raw data ILSs, or getting a hard-on about some guy doing a 360 without crashing into the terrain! - 'meh' - but when they're faced with one of the few actual tests of real stick and rudder skills in our job - a gusty crosswind landing, or even an accurate landing at the right spot at the right speed - and their flying usually gets real ragged, verging on alarming - that don't impress me so much!
MC
So what does impress you much?
To get the landing in the right spot at the right speed in gusty crosswind conditions is easy as .....pie.
Auto land.!

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 03:03
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Up tp a point ... autoland confused by ILS interference
Incident: Singapore B773 at Munich on Nov 3rd 2011, runway excursion
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 06:39
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We could open a separate thread on autolands, especially those done on CAVOK or CAT1 ( like the SIA above) where the ILS signal is not protected . I understand some airlines having ordered the Max were considering making autoland mandatory on that type regardless of Wx conditions to save on engines and tyres..Maybe now their confidence in Boeing electronics driving the flight controls might have eroded somewhat those plans.

Back to flying an airliner at 100ft, , since w are sharing old stories, I went to Narssasuaq a few times in the early 90s where the easiest route from Europe was Icelandair which used a good old 727-100 to do that , as if I remember correctly (waiting to be corrected) that type could take up to 35 Kts tail wind. which was a bonus since there is a glacier at the end of the fjord making mandatory landings and take off in opposite directions.
On clear Summer days one of the thrills of that flight was getting down to 500ft above the ice , looking for the glacier entrance and go down to 100-200 ft in the valley for about 20 NM, overfly the runway, teardrop over the fjord and land on the numbers. The pax loved it and complained when it could not be done . The only drawback was hearing the constant bells and other Woops woops in the cabin , since the cockpit door was wide open in those days .
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 08:21
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I really enjoyed this thread - Another impressive piece of flying was the (Lady Capt?) who landed her Thomson 757 in 40kts+ crosswinds in a huge storm last year at the aircraft carrier type strip at Bristol UK.
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