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Cargo Jet makes a 360 at 100’

Old 10th Dec 2019, 09:41
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Continuing the Africa theme,

Customer of mine used to run/operate Africa One, here's a video his son took (you can hear the son in the video)

DC10 - Lowest pass starts around 1m25.

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern
Could not agree more. There is a real lack of old fashioned skills these days. A few years ago, we lost our FMC in mid flight, the inexperienced FO wanted to ask for vectors, I simply switched to VOR and followed it as you do....ATC were a bit supprised as well. Sadly we are now all magenta line followers
I agree the flying skills aren’t what they used to be in some parts of aviation but what was the safest option? Getting vectors from ATC or showing the FO how good you are?
Free up mental capacity and lessen the load in the flight deck!
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747

I agree the flying skills aren’t what they used to be in some parts of aviation but what was the safest option? Getting vectors from ATC or showing the FO how good you are?
Free up mental capacity and lessen the load in the flight deck!
When the lightly jumped the slot - ATC was already behind the 8 ball (common in stress areas of the World) so getting a vector will take some time.

You seem to think the FO was getting a waving show from captain and not part of the manoeuvre - it seems the FO called the lighty on runway and not a go-around call.

The guy was as cool as ice - it was not a stunt.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747

I agree the flying skills aren’t what they used to be in some parts of aviation but what was the safest option? Getting vectors from ATC or showing the FO how good you are?
Free up mental capacity and lessen the load in the flight deck!
I agree with you all the way. But the spotters who seem to populate this thread don't want to hear the voice of common sense and experience.
I know it's an old adage, but worth repeating :
The exceptional pilot uses his exceptional judgement to avoid situations where he has to rely on his exceptional skills.
That does not mean not doing 'interesting' things, it means being prepared for eventualities, including getting your spacing right behind the aircraft ahead.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:09
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Originally Posted by rog747
I really enjoyed this thread - Another impressive piece of flying was the (Lady Capt?) who landed her Thomson 757 in 40kts+ crosswinds in a huge storm last year at the aircraft carrier type strip at Bristol UK.
TUI 757 flown by Captain Brenda Riepsaame Wassink

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by Dopsonj
Continuing the Africa theme,

Customer of mine used to run/operate Africa One, here's a video his son took (you can hear the son in the video)

DC10 - Lowest pass starts around 1m25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJz9xdWX6ZY
What a lot of birds about! 🐦
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 17:56
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CDRW wrote,
The skills I learnt flying light twins around Southern Africa for ten years WITHOUT a wx radar or GPS have been carried through and still used to this day
I started flying on floats, in Northern Canada. Later flew light twins, around the Game Parks in Kenya for 2 years, based in Mombasa, and Malindi. Few navaids, just tune in the VOK radio station in Nairobi. Landing on small strips in the Masai Mara, one often had to make a very low pass over a runway, to clear the migrating Wildebeest and Topis, then teardrop back to land quickly. Some DC-3 flying too, out of Nairobi Wilson. T-Bag, the Captain who checked me out on the DC-3 had flown the VC-10 with East African Airways...

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 23:46
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747

I agree the flying skills aren’t what they used to be in some parts of aviation but what was the safest option? Getting vectors from ATC or showing the FO how good you are?
Free up mental capacity and lessen the load in the flight deck!
What's so dangerous about dialing a VOR and following it? OMG!
And why do you have to bother the controller with that.
The FO should know how to navigate like that.

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Old 11th Dec 2019, 00:07
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747

I agree the flying skills aren’t what they used to be in some parts of aviation but what was the safest option? Getting vectors from ATC or showing the FO how good you are?
Free up mental capacity and lessen the load in the flight deck!
If navigating using conventional navigation is too heavy a load to bear, I’d suggest the FO shouldn’t have been in the cockpit.

I recently heard a story of a CA berating the FO for waiting until the flaps were up before calling for the AP. The captain cited the increased workload that he (the CA) endured. That captain wouldn’t do too well at my company!
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 00:55
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Some real piloting skills shown right there!
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 04:06
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Originally Posted by The Range
What's so dangerous about dialing a VOR and following it? OMG!
And why do you have to bother the controller with that.
The FO should know how to navigate like that.
For the non pilots, nowadays we don’t even have paper charts in the flight deck! SHOCK, HORROR!
To fly VOR to VOR would take quite a bit of effort. Finding frequencies, setting the aircraft up to fly VOR to VOR, seeing exactly where you are, adds to the cockpit workload. Why not pass the workload on to ATC.
Nowadays, we can even make an approach without NBD, VOR or ILS. Amazing! We can fly an RNAV approach. I won’t go into the finer details but if there’s a system degradation you ask for vectors immediately from ATC!
Unbelievable eh?
PS The guy in the video did an amazing job. Loved it!!

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Old 11th Dec 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by slfool
TUI 757 flown by Captain Brenda Riepsaame Wassink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPn3MBNt7Rc
Does the 75 lack the rudder authority to align with the runway at its crosswind limit? That looked like a lot of side load on the main gear at touchdown.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 07:53
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Does the 75 lack the rudder authority to align with the runway at its crosswind limit? That looked like a lot of side load on the main gear at touchdown.
That was my reaction too - just flying it on sideways works ok on a wet runway, but not ok on a dry one - huge side loads on the gear and tends to lift the upwind wing, which can be the start of a lurching, messy roll out. Quite nice landing for the conditions, but IMHO, not particularly an example of superior stick and rudder skills a propos the subject.

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Old 11th Dec 2019, 08:22
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
That was my reaction too - just flying it on sideways works ok on a wet runway, but not ok on a dry one - huge side loads on the gear and tends to lift the upwind wing, which can be the start of a lurching, messy roll out. Quite nice landing for the conditions, but IMHO, not particularly an example of superior stick and rudder skills a propos the subject.
Once the drift disappears the aircraft is not on the centreline, it is lined up on the downwind part of the runway probably because the cockpit was lined up on the centreline which isn't the best idea in a crosswind.
Not kicking off the drift was standard F4 Phantom technique because it had such strong landing gear. Horses for courses.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 08:25
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
That was my reaction too - just flying it on sideways works ok on a wet runway, but not ok on a dry one
Runway was wet.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 08:42
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Originally Posted by medod


Runway was wet.
So all you get is scrubbed tyres and just a bit less torque on the main legs and whiplash in the rear cabin. And being wet more of a risk of drifting to the, now closer, side of the runway.
This was a nicely controlled approach (although we don't know what the speed control was like) if a little off the centreline, followed by an arrival.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 10:37
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Back to thread, I guess as an old school real pilot as opposed to the current world of the magenta line button pushers, the guy in discussion probably did "free up mental capacity"and "lighten the load" by hand flying . Did a splendid & enviable job. That kind of displayed skill is no longer required in the modern airline world where you don't disconnect the autopilot (flight controls remain connected to the Flight Control Computers) and "throttles" are dummy sticks for moving in and out of detents. I still feel safer behind the ole boys who find it easier to knock everything out and skillfully, without any effort, handfly out of trouble.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 11:18
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Back to thread, I guess as an old school real pilot as opposed to the current world of the magenta line button pushers, the guy in discussion.........................
‘Twas a Lady driver!
Captain Brenda Reipsaamie Wessink I think see post 188.
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Back to thread, I guess as an old school real pilot as opposed to the current world of the magenta line button pushers, the guy in discussion.........................


‘Twas a Lady driver!
Captain Brenda Reipsaamie Wessink I think see post 188.
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Looks like a grey haired South African bloke to me.
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Originally Posted by slowjet
Back to thread, I guess as an old school real pilot as opposed to the current world of the magenta line button pushers, the guy in discussion.........................


‘Twas a Lady driver!
Captain Brenda Reipsaamie Wessink I think see post 188.
David

Looks like a grey haired South African bloke to me.
That's because this thread can be added to the list of things that have drifted from the centerline....
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