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Aircraft Down North Wales

Old 25th Nov 2019, 15:17
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Aircraft Down North Wales

Report on local media that an aircraft has crashed of the coast of Anglesey, near to Puffin island.
no more info at Rhys time.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 15:24
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C172S G-CBXJ is seen on FR24 in the area of Puffin Island at 1141hrs showing in the decent at 1664ft/per min then ADSB signal is lost.

EGOV 251120Z 14007KT 9999 FEW008 BKN016 12/10 Q0997 TEMPO 7000 -RA SCT014 RMK WHT TEMPO GRN
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FR24 data is not always reliable and can often show large speed and/or height changes, and aircraft disappearing/re-appearing where there are drops in coverage.

Having said that, hoping for good news but this is not usually a good sign...AAIB team enroute: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...north-wales--3 The AAIB has sent a team to investigate an accident involving a light aircraft. Published 25 November 2019.

If it is G-**** as suggested above, often Caernarfon based and in the past it was used for scenic/air experience flights from the airport (I flew in it over Snowdon a few years back). Not sure if it's still used for these types of flights now or how many they'd do at this time of year though, so guess it would also used for other work, maybe training, SFH etc. No idea on the purpose of the flight today.







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Old 25th Nov 2019, 16:33
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I have it as Caernarfon based. Seen here March 2017:
http://www.kelvindavies.co.uk/kelvin/details.php?image_id=24730
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 16:47
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I’m currently on the island of Anglesey, Today’s weather is clear and calm, not even a breeze, from where I was at the reported time, I could clearly see Puffin island over the water, a good few miles away.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by heli14 View Post
FR24 data is not always reliable and can often show large speed and/or height changes
MLAT based data on FR24 is known for unrealistic speed/position 'spikes', but this a/c had ADSB, with taxi and t/o roll right on the lines. So I fear the worst, based on the (reliable) FR24 data until coverage was lost at 600ft, with 375 feet being the ADSB reported altitude when on the departure runway at this seashore airport.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-cbxj#22f7911e

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Three Lifeboats out there searching some 5+ hours after they started. This is the track of one of them.
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I live halfway between where it says Llangoed and Mariandyrys on the image. It saddens me to think a fellow aviator (or several) may have lost their lives there today.

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Old 25th Nov 2019, 19:08
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Not a great idea to speculate re the identity of an aircraft that has gone down, for obvious reasons.

It will be confirmed soon enough, after those who have a more immediate need to know have been told.
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I live halfway between where it says Llangoed and Mariandyrys on the image. It saddens me to think a fellow aviator (or several) may have lost their lives there today.

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BBC saying single crew no pax

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Old 25th Nov 2019, 19:24
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The police family liason unit are supporting the missing pilots family. Still no sign of the aircraft this evening. I suspect the outcome will unfortunately not be the one we would hope for.

​https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/anglesey-plane-crash-police-confirm-17315143
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I live halfway between where it says Llangoed and Mariandyrys on the image. It saddens me to think a fellow aviator (or several) may have lost their lives there today.

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I’m sure the search parties know what they are doing but living on Anglesey we both know how the current in the strait could easily move any wreckage far from the suspected crash site.
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post

Iím sure the search parties know what they are doing but living on Anglesey we both know how the current in the strait could easily move any wreckage far from the suspected crash site.
I have friends who are RNLI crew. I understand that they have software that predicts likely movement to aid their search patterns. Between the three lifeboats they have covered a wide area.
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Pilot has been named - I think some will be familiar with him.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 19:09
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If it has crashed, why haven't they found any wreckage yet?
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If it has crashed, why haven't they found any wreckage yet?
Possibly because it's at the bottom of the sea ?
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 19:43
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RIP David Last. I had the pleasure of working on a project with him. His knowledge of radio navigation was endless.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 20:10
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How awful. I knew David well. He was a lecturer at Bangor when I was there in late 1960s He took me flying in his Robin from Caernarfon in 2006 and I met him several times later including at a university reunion dinner in 2016 when he proudly told me about his new business advising clients about the accuracy of GPS. He was a very keen and conscientious aviator and this is a tragic loss.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 20:53
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For those not familiar with the area, the Menai Straits are between the Island of Angelsey and mainland Wales. Although the tidal currents in the Straits, under the Menai Bridge can reach 2m/s (4 knots.), the area where the plane was last reported is much wider, so the currents would be less.
The flight last went over what is known as the Great Orme, which is a dramatic rocky headland 679 feet high. A few minutes later it pitched downwards towards Puffin Island.
It has been reported that some wreckage has been found, but the present choppy state of the sea, and the foggy visibility, is not helping with the search.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 23:18
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Given the age of the pilot, is it not possible that he may have had a medical mishap leading to the accident?
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