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Old 8th Oct 2019, 07:40
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New in-flight service on Virgin Atlantic

Free sexual harrassment by fellow passengers.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/07/woman...lane-10877926/
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:39
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[QUOTE=Super VC-10;10589250]Free sexual harrassment by fellow passengers.

Looks like they chose the wrong woman to lear at. Sounds like they had the spectral cast of "on the buses" on board?
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Very odd that Virgin thought messaging was a good feature to add to their 'entertainment' system. I'd have thought its usefulness would be very limited. But no, on reflection, it's the usual techie thing: we can do this neat thing, so let's add it to the system.
If I'd implemented this feature I'd have disabled it by default, when the system is reset before each flight (I presume it is?), and let each seat choose whether to enable it or not for that flight. Then I'd have let each seat choose whch other seats to take messaqes from. Allowing messaging from random seat to random other seat is asking for silly behaviour by teenage dickheads.
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So she isn't a tidy babe at all! Maybe she dressed in a way that made her a walking sexual harassment. The solution to that is, of course, wearing a burka.

News like this makes me wonder what actually is the infamous sexual harassment. Calling her ugly? Or is it anything the (non)lady feels at the moment. Which leads to the situation that not saying anything will be harassment if she feels something should have been said.

Tidy babe is not very bad.
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The messages have your seat number on them, and the cabin crew has the name of every passenger on the manifest by seat, so what kind of numb-nuts do you have to be to think your messages can't be traced back to you? I suspect the Virgin programmers thought passengers would be smart enough to understand this and thus refrain from being dicks on a plane.
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The system needs to record all messages, which should be downloadable to the company's internal systems. Also, a print facility should be provided, enabling hard copy to be obtained in case of complaints such as that.
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Originally Posted by OldLurker
If I'd implemented this feature I'd have disabled it by default, when the system is reset before each flight (I presume it is?), and let each seat choose whether to enable it or not for that flight. Then I'd have let each seat choose whch other seats to take messaqes from. Allowing messaging from random seat to random other seat is asking for silly behaviour by teenage dickheads.
The one time I flew on a Virgin flight the messaging system was working exactly as you describe that it "should work". But even if this woman chose to accept messages from other passengers that does not give them the right to insult her. Usually American and British media are very quick when it comes to naming and shaming culprits (and even suspects in many cases). So I guess it will not be long that we will be shown the name and face of Mr. "big dick swinger" and his buddies. Their wifes and children will be delighted!
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Originally Posted by Super VC-10
The system needs to record all messages, which should be downloadable to the company's internal systems.
And then the best messages can read on public during XMAS party...
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Originally Posted by Aihkio
So she isn't a tidy babe at all! Maybe she dressed in a way that made her a walking sexual harassment. The solution to that is, of course, wearing a burka.

News like this makes me wonder what actually is the infamous sexual harassment. Calling her ugly? Or is it anything the (non)lady feels at the moment. Which leads to the situation that not saying anything will be harassment if she feels something should have been said.

Tidy babe is not very bad.
You don't seem to "get it." Be careful out there; attitudes like the one suggested by your post result in unemployment and lawsuits every single day.
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The one time I flew on a Virgin flight the messaging system was working exactly as you describe that it "should work". But even if this woman chose to accept messages from other passengers that does not give them the right to insult her. Usually American and British media are very quick when it comes to naming and shaming culprits (and even suspects in many cases). So I guess it will not be long that we will be shown the name and face of Mr. "big dick swinger" and his buddies. Their wifes and children will be delighted!
Yup. Exactly.
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Originally Posted by bnt
The messages have your seat number on them, and the cabin crew has the name of every passenger on the manifest by seat, so what kind of numb-nuts do you have to be to think your messages can't be traced back to you? I suspect the Virgin programmers thought passengers would be smart enough to understand this and thus refrain from being dicks on a plane.

“ Dicks on a plane “, a worthy sequel to “ snakes on a plane “. Featuring p&ssed up charter passengers off to Zakinthos from your local airport.
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As everybody can be tracked back to his seat number I don't see this problem to become something major.
Taking a picture and informing the crew is the right thing to do to stop this.
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Absolute moronic attitudes displayed by those passengers when their seat numbers are displayed next to their chat lines. It's a simple task of cross-referencing that against the passenger manifest for names, and from there their contact details.
Only thing possibly lacking or needing clarifying for legal purposes is a disclaimer stating that any misuse of the system would result in their entire IFE system to the seat being disabled for the remainder of the flight, and for a cabin-wide CCTV to collect info along with the chat logs to corroborate who was sat where if it then goes to court.
No getting away from that then.
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Originally Posted by Aihkio
So she isn't a tidy babe at all! Maybe she dressed in a way that made her a walking sexual harassment. The solution to that is, of course, wearing a burka.

News like this makes me wonder what actually is the infamous sexual harassment. Calling her ugly? Or is it anything the (non)lady feels at the moment. Which leads to the situation that not saying anything will be harassment if she feels something should have been said.

Tidy babe is not very bad.
We really REALLY need to stop blaming women for men's bad behaviour
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Originally Posted by Aihkio
So she isn't a tidy babe at all! Maybe she dressed in a way that made her a walking sexual harassment. The solution to that is, of course, wearing a burka.

News like this makes me wonder what actually is the infamous sexual harassment. Calling her ugly? Or is it anything the (non)lady feels at the moment. Which leads to the situation that not saying anything will be harassment if she feels something should have been said.

Tidy babe is not very bad.
Sexual harassment is unwanted behaviour of a sexual nature which:
  • violates your dignity
  • makes you feel intimidated, degraded or humiliated
  • creates a hostile or offensive environment
You don’t need to have previously objected to someone's behaviour for it to be considered unwanted.


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Think I saw the same system on a Iberia flight recently
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I haven't flown commercially in years, so I'm not up to speed on all of the latest In Flight Entertainment systems available to passengers these days. Can the in-flight chat system be turned off? Can offensive chat posts be deleted? What action (if any) did the flight attendants take?

Is it merely synchronicity that the chat offendee, "Legal expert Jessica Van Meir ...", is an employee of a "... a law firm that specialises in online sexual harassment", or perhaps a clever ploy to generate publicity for her and her employer? Oh wait, I'm sure that would never happen, especially with lawyers in the mix!

Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by capngrog
Is it merely synchronicity that the chat offendee, "Legal expert Jessica Van Meir ...", is an employee of a "... a law firm that specialises in online sexual harassment", or perhaps a clever ploy to generate publicity for her and her employer? Oh wait, I'm sure that would never happen, especially with lawyers in the mix!

Just sayin'.

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Do you have a theory about how this "clever ploy" might have been carried out? Remembering, of course, that the identities of the occupants of all the seats on the aircraft are easily verified.

Just wonderin'

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A working definition of an action must be usable before anything is done. Something like "makes you feel intimidated, degraded or humiliated" is worse than useless, it also cannot depend on a posteriori opinion of the object. Or if that is allowed I have the right to judge if her clothing is harassing or not.

Saying one's opinion on the looks of a fellow passanger is stupid but it is not automatically offensive. I would never do it, never done it. I am just against the late largely feminist opinion that the object has the right to be offended by anything. And still think that "tidy babe" is not bad, is it wise, no.
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Originally Posted by Aihkio
So she isn't a tidy babe at all! Maybe she dressed in a way that made her a walking sexual harassment. The solution to that is, of course, wearing a burka.

News like this makes me wonder what actually is the infamous sexual harassment. Calling her ugly? Or is it anything the (non)lady feels at the moment. Which leads to the situation that not saying anything will be harassment if she feels something should have been said.

Tidy babe is not very bad.

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