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Old 8th Oct 2019, 17:54
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Originally Posted by what next
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The one time I flew on a Virgin flight the messaging system was working exactly as you describe that it "should work". But even if this woman chose to accept messages from other passengers that does not give them the right to insult her. Usually American and British media are very quick when it comes to naming and shaming culprits (and even suspects in many cases). So I guess it will not be long that we will be shown the name and face of Mr. "big dick swinger" and his buddies. Their wifes and children will be delighted!
I'm not a big fan of the court of public humiliation/call-out culture/slacktivism. We have a legal system and it looks as though it is being employed.

This is a pretty clear cut case of harassment. There will be consequences for the parties involved.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 18:11
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Originally Posted by scr1
Think I saw the same system on a Iberia flight recently
I've seen this messaging service on a few airlines, but as I normally fly alone, or next to the people I am with, I have never had the urge to use it. I think I did once try to send a hello to the empty seat beside me on an airline that had this, but nothing happened. Maybe it's a common feature, but is disabled on other airlines and just simply does nothing.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 18:32
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Originally Posted by Mike-Bracknell
Absolute moronic attitudes displayed by those passengers when their seat numbers are displayed next to their chat lines. It's a simple task of cross-referencing that against the passenger manifest for names, and from there their contact details.
Actually it is not such a simple task as it seems. The passenger manifest does not proof that a particular person actually has sat in that seat. That is why in case of passenger problems we need to get passport details as that is the only way to proof that that particular passenger was the problem. A seat number on a manifest means absolutely nothing, unfortunately.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 19:18
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In flight IM system? Christ, can't people talk to one another?
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 20:01
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
Do you have a theory about how this "clever ploy" might have been carried out? Remembering, of course, that the identities of the occupants of all the seats on the aircraft are easily verified.

Just wonderin'
One theory that comes to the remains of my mind is this: Legal Expert Van Meir met the offensive posters in the lounge prior to boarding and after discussing her job over a few drinks, they all decided that it would be fun to engage in racy repartee via the Virgin in-flight chat system. Legal Expert Van Meir would then evaluate the posts, determining which were merely offensive, and which may be actionable. Just an educational exercise, don't ya know. There are several other scenarios that come to mind, varying from plausible to the far reaches of implausible. Just make something up ... like I just did.

As to being easily identifiable from seat numbers, as pointed out by CEJM, that is not always an easy thing. I would think that for reasons of potential liability, airlines would be reluctant to release such information unless served with a subpoena. Then there's the factor of some not caring one way or the other, and others who, after a few drinks, lose all sense of caution and propriety.

I'm still curious as to what, if any, specific actions were taken by the flight attendants to deal with this horrific situation.

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Old 8th Oct 2019, 20:15
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People are missing the point of this sort of service. It is not a free for all chat - you have to setup who you want to chat with and they have to accept.

The biggest use is for families and groups that are split up in their seat assignment. When you're trapped in a middle seat miles away from the rest of your family it's quite nice being able to send messages during an 8 hour flight without having disturb multiple people by going to chat in person each time.

I'm quite sure the cabin crew can deactivate it or block seats. She could have turned chat off herself instantly too - you only have to flip back to the TV channel to no longer see it.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Super VC-10
Free sexual harrassment by fellow passengers.

Looks like they chose the wrong woman to lear at. Sounds like they had the spectral cast of "on the buses" on board?
Or maybe you were thinking that it was a Leerjet?
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 03:19
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This has all the hallmarks of viral marketing;
- titillating and eminently clickable, viral marketing gold
- offence is objectionable but not bad enough to be actionable, so not too much scrutiny of those involved
- it's from an ambulance-chasing law firm, who manage to get their company name in the news reports and even to spruik for business ('has this happened to you?")

For all the people who suffer real abuse in our society (the elderly poor for example), someone being called a 'tidy babe' is not something we should be wringing our hands over.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 06:25
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. For all the people who suffer real abuse in our society (the elderly poor for example), someone being called a 'tidy babe' is not something we should be wringing our hands over.
The same mentality that leads to abuse of the weak, elderly and vulnerable also tolerates the idea of objectifying them in the same way thar 'tidy babe' objectifies a woman. So yes we should be calling it to account, it's not the phrase, it's the attitude and mindset.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 08:25
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The same mentality that leads to abuse of the weak, elderly and vulnerable also tolerates the idea of objectifying them in the same way thar 'tidy babe' objectifies a woman. So yes we should be calling it to account, it's not the phrase, it's the attitude and mindset.
Oh please. I’ve got the face of a Chernobyl fireman and even I’ve had ‘abuse’ worse than that.

My point is that while lawyers sniff around for lucrative cases to run and the morally superior thought police confect their outrage, actual, real abuse occurs elsewhere and is largely ignored.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 13:16
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Oh please. I’ve got the face of a Chernobyl fireman and even I’ve had ‘abuse’ worse than that.

My point is that while lawyers sniff around for lucrative cases to run and the morally superior thought police confect their outrage, actual, real abuse occurs elsewhere and is largely ignored.
I agree that there are lawyers only too willing to exploit the law. Abuse of any form is not acceptable especially when it objectifies individuals. This is where I find identity politics a difficult concept.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 15:30
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Originally Posted by bnt
I suspect the Virgin programmers thought passengers would be smart enough to understand this and thus refrain from being dicks on a plane.
Unfortunately the kind of people who abuse these systems also tend to be the dumbest kind of people as well. In the UK a recent problem is Brexit supporters sending rape and death threats to MPs. Many of them do it from their own or their work’s genuine email address then are flabbergasted when the police come knocking on their door to arrest them.

‘Stupid is as stupid does’ as Tom Hanks once said.
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