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B17 crash at Bradley

Old 2nd Oct 2019, 15:51
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B17 crash at Bradley

I understand there are multiple injuries following a vintage B17 crash at Bradley.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/n...ane-crash.html

I hope they're ok.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 16:19
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A bad business! Here's some background.
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A bad business! Here's some background.
The Hartford Courant is not available to those of us on the European side of the Atlantic, apparently.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 16:33
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More here,
https://www.courant.com/breaking-new...diu-story.html

for those behind the UK Firewall, here is some of the text,
At least two people have died and more were seriously injured in a fiery plane crash at Bradley International Airport Wednesday morning.
A vintage plane crashed about 10 a.m., bursting into flames and sending up a large plume of smoke that could be seen for miles. Sources say it crashed into a shed as it was trying to land.



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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 16:35
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Toured the interior of that same plane last Spring at KFMY in Florida. These aircraft would give rides to paying passengers each afternoon and one could also buy a seat on the re-position flights to wherever the next stop on the tour was. So more likely than not, there were passengers aboard in addition to the flight crew. Very sad day.

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If it is their B17 , the 9-0-9 , a video of the aircraft is here :
Very sad for the casualties and for thge loss of this beautifully restored aircraft..
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My condolences to the casualties. I toured the aircraft when it was on the west coast along with the B24, B25, and P40. Sad to see another one go.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 16:49
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N93012, a B-17G in this picture by Brian Lockett:




BDL Tower switches N93012 to departure after takeoff. A short time later the plane reports entering downwind. They are cleared to land runway 6, wind calm. Tower asks 'How's your progress for runway 6?' Two voices on the B-17 reply 'We're getting there' and '[something] downwind now'.

I've attached an audio file of the tower transmissions from LiveATC.net to this post.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 16:51
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Here's the text from the Courant background article ...The B-24J, foreground, and B-17G were the four-engine heavy bombers American airmen flew against German industrial sites, rail yards and other targets in World War II. The bombers and three other historic airplanes owned by the Collings Foundation are scheduled to arrive at Bradley International Airport on Monday. (Collings Foundation)Two World War II fighter planes and three bombers will be at Bradley International Airport through Thursday.

The historic aircraft, owned by the Collings Foundation of Stow, Mass., will be open for tours through Thursday at Tac Air, 85-205 Combs Gate Drive, just off Route 75 in Windsor Locks. Flights aboard the aircraft are also available.

The aircraft are a B-17G Flying Fortress heavy bomber, a B-24J Liberator heavy bomber, a B-25 Mitchell medium bomber, a P-51 Mustang fighter and a P-40 Warhawk fighter.People wait to board and view a B-17G bomber at Waterbury-Oxford Airport earlier this month.The airplanes will be open noon to 4 p.m. Monday, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Tuesday and Wednesday, and 9 a.m. to noon Thursday. The cost is $15. Flights are available. For details check the Collings Foundation website, www.collingsfoundation.org, or call 978-562-9182.


[Related] Hartford office tower owner Shelbourne Global Solutions adds to rapidly expanding holdings downtown with Allyn Street parking lot »The B-17 an B-24 were the backbone of the Allied bomber campaign against Nazi occupied Europe. Army Air Forces crews flew the bombers from bases in England and Italy. The bombers also were used the Pacific theater.

The two-engine B-25 was a land-based bomber, but became well-known when Army pilots flew the bombers off the pitching deck of the aircraft carrier Hornet to attack targets in and around Tokyo in 1942, months after the attack on Pearl Harbor thrust the U.S. into World War II. The raid, led by Col. Jimmy Doolittle, was was a morale booster for a beleaguered U.S. and was later made famous in the book and movie “Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo,” starring Spencer Tracy as Doolittle.Hamilton Standard logo on a B-24 Liberator propeller blade.The P-40 was made famous by the Flying Tigers, American fighter pilots who fought for the Chinese against the Japanese. The airplane continued in service later into World War II.

Lt. Eugene Bradley, for whom Bradley airport is named, was flying a P-40 when he crashed on the airport grounds and was killed during a training mission in 1941.

The P-51 Mustang was the premier Army fighter of World War II and had the range to escort bombers deep into Europe for attacks on German cities and industrial centers. The Collings Foundation P-51 is painted to represent a West Virginia Air National Guard aircraft. The West Virginia Air Guard was the last Air Force squadron to fly P-51s and retired its Mustangs in January 1957.

David Owens can be reached at [email protected].

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What a tragedy, for the crew, passengers and this beautiful aircraft..
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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/wor...h-connecticut/
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What a sad day, especially for the injured or killed, and also for the aircraft.

I've been up in Nine-O-Nine twice. Got to sit in the left hand pilot seat for 10 minutes and make a couple of gentle turns in her. What an experience!
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 17:07
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From the Hartford Courant:

At least two dead, multiple people injured, after vintage plane crashes at Connecticut’s Bradley International Airport

By CHRISTINE DEMPSEY HARTFORD COURANT
OCT 02, 2019 | 11:46 AM
At least two people have died and more were seriously injured in a fiery plane crash at Bradley International Airport Wednesday morning.
A B-17 bomber crashed about 10 a.m., bursting into flames and sending up a large plume of smoke that could be seen for miles. Sources say it crashed into a shed as it was trying to land.
While there is no official word on the number of deaths, sources say at least two people have died and three others have critical injuries.
Laura Nolan said she was driving east on Route 20 when she saw the World War II-era plane flying unusually low.
"He was treetop level when I saw him," Nolan said. "And one of the engines wasn't spinning."
As the plane passed by, Nolan said, the roar was "thunderous."
And then, the plane crashed.
"I saw the smoke in the rearview mirror," Nolan said. The smoke was dark black, she said.
Nolan, a former Granby paramedic, went to the airport to offer help to the first responders. She was sent away, though, and by about 11 a.m. the other waiting ambulances had been sent away as well, she said.She saw emergency vehicles from across the area, including from the Ambulance Service of Manchester, Hartford-based American Medical Response, Pratt and Whitney Fire Department and Suffield Fire Department. Nolan said she also saw a Life Star helicopter land near the crash site.=start
The amount of people that were flooding in here was ridiculous,” Nolan said.
We can confirm that there was an accident involving a Collings Foundation World War II aircraft this morning at Bradley Airport. We have an active fire and rescue operation underway. The airport is closed. We will issue further updates as information becomes available.
One patient was flown to Hartford Hospital by Life Star helicopter, a hospital spokesperson said late Wednesday morning, and five more were on their way by ground ambulance.
The airport confirmed that the plane is a Collings Foundation World War II aircraft. The airport is closed; the Federal Aviation Administration said it has put in a ground stop for flights destined for the airport.Numerous fire departments from the area were called to the scene, causing area towns to scramble to line up coverage. At least two dozen emergency vehicles were at the crash site.
At least one victim was being airlifted from the scene at 10:50 a.m.The plane is one of five -- two World War II fighter planes and three bombers --- that are at the airport this week for tours and flights.The most recent fatal crash of a vintage war plane happened in Fredericksburg, Texas in November 2018. The pilot and a passenger in a P-51D Mustang fighter aircraft were killed when the plane, which had just participated in a flyby, crashed into a nearby parking lot.

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Local news reports now say that the number 3 engine (the right inboard engine) failed and there were 13 people onboard.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 18:03
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I’ve just listened to the Live ATC audio.
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kb...2019-1330Z.mp3

18:41 “We would like to return to the field.”
22:40 Crash alarm in the background.

Another example of a pilot reluctant to declare an emergency. Why is that?
The controller has to drag information out of the pilot.

“You said an immediate landing?”
”When you get a chance, yeah.”

”Do you need to be on the ground right now?”
”If possible.”

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 18:09
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Just a tragedy and a disaster for the Collings Foundation. They rely on these flights to fund their efforts to keep these heritage aircraft alive. Their B-17 and the B-24 do a fall round down the East, hopping from airport to airport, offering short flights to give people a sense of the experience..
I've flown on that bird, The brief hop from Westchester Airport to Manhattan and back, it would be brutal in a crash because there are not really great safety features for such an event.
Afaik, it was one of the first flights of the day, so the aircraft may have had more fuel than usual on board, which would exacerbate any problems.
My condolences and RIP for the victims. I hope it does not also kill the Collings Foundation.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 18:11
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Another example of a pilot reluctant to declare an emergency. Why is that?

Would the outcome be any different?

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
Would the outcome be any different?

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Even if it would not, that is the wrong way to look at it. If the next pilot could be helped by declaring an emergency, he should not feel reluctant because others didn’t.
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Originally Posted by hans brinker View Post

Even if it would not, that is the wrong way to look at it. If the next pilot could be helped by declaring an emergency, he should not feel reluctant because others didn’t.
All I'm saying is things developed very fast IMHO. So aviate, navigate, communicate got stuck somewhere before communicate.
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A friend's relative was a passenger on the plane. They haven't heard anything yet.
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