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Old 20th Nov 2020, 08:49
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Uncle, you said it yourself - the shares are almost worthless, so why would they convert secured debt into more worthless shares. The level of security on debt varies, but the (Norwegian) governments tend to put themselves at the front of the queue for break up assets - it wouldn't be much, but at a guess, I'd say it's more than the equity would be worth. Anyway, first the administration has to be approved by the judge, and that's far from certain.
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 09:14
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In reality the "old structure" dies and the value of the shares dies with it, so selling any old shares is not possible, who's going to buy shares in a structure that no longer exists? The shares are already under observation for OSLO trading and forecast is worth zero, so forget raising money by selling old shares.

The existing "creditors" may also be share holders, however their historical debt was converted to shares in May and it could be seen the slate was wiped clean with that transaction, the "new debt" has accrued since May and is on-going with contractual obligations, wages, overheads etc, and it is this "new debt" that balanced with the available income and cash reserves puts the existing company in insolvency.

The examinership process is solely designed to protect the company from its creditors for the period 100 days, during which a feasible and sustainable business plan must be made, or the company is declared bankrupt.

Of course the shareholders will vote for restructuring, they have little choice, but the hat they wear as "creditors", means that for the process to be approved by the court with a successful exit they will get more in real terms than if the company is dissolved and the assets sold.

One must remember that the primary role of the Examinership is to protect employees.
Examinership, it’s Ireland’s rescue framework for, you know, otherwise viable companies that find themselves in difficulty, but they have good, good prospects for survival if they can be restructured.

In fact, the test actually is only a reasonable prospect of survival and subject to certain conditions that if they can restructure themselves, they can still be there for the for the benefit, particularly of the employees, which is why the legislation was introduced in 1990. And secondly, then for the benefit of the community as a whole, that, you know, that the enlightened approach is that businesses should have a second chance, should be given a second chance if they are if they can be viable, if they’re restructured. So that’s what that’s what Examinership is.
For this process to be approved REAL INVESTMENT must be forthcoming, not vacuous promises and more importantly, the "investment must be received" , this is where they will struggle unless the shareholders are prepared to actually put in cash. Trading revenues from sales is not investment.

Cityjet creditors agreed to write off 75% of their debts and the company received sufficient external investment cash to continue.

A slimmed down Norwegian with the new management may well be an attractive investment, lets see who comes out of the woodwork on this. Pity Braathen has hovered up some potential sources
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 13:51
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From The Irish Times:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...icit-1.4415098

The outlook is not encouraging.
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 14:08
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the report says the companies have a reasonable prospect of survival if they take certain steps proposed by management, including renegotiating lease payments on their aircraft, deferring some loan repayments, cutting their fleet and cancelling future aircraft orders.”

Seems there is hope
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 14:19
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liquidating Norwegian would see the creditors loose everything :
”An independent accountant’s report submitted to the court shows that winding up Norwegian AirShuttle would wipe out most of its assets, leaving a $7.1 billion (€5.98 billion) shortfall, eliminating any chance of creditors collecting on the debts due to them”
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 15:10
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They were losing money before the pandemic. Their major competitors are now leaner and ready to make serious money.
Seriously, if a family wanted to spend money next year on a trip to the USA do we think it’s wise to spend money on them or one or their competitors?
It’s a no brainier.
And I feel for the staff who have been badly treated but many people have been laid off in other companies too.
They bring nothing to the pilot profession apart from a step downwards and because of that, in my opinion, they do not deserve to succeed.
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 15:29
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The lease payments were changed to PBH in the May bail out, not sure what's left to be negotiated, other than fly for fee.

Deferring loan payments, guess that's up to the Banks and the government of Norway, but the loan payments have already been deferred once from Dec to March.

Cancelling future orders, already done, but at legal stages with Boeing regarding payback of prepayments and compensation, that case likely to last a year.

The good thing is that the Court have identified the liquidation would just leave huge debt, nothing for creditors so anything better than that is a bonus and helps the process.

Key to this is external investment, no investment, no happy ending
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 15:44
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"They bring nothing to the pilot profession apart from a step downwards and because of that, in my opinion, they do not deserve to succeed."

I'm not sure I follow your sentiment... I used to fly for Norwegian and I only left to go home (I was made redundant 2 months after I left in my new airline). I saw nothing but professional and dedicated people at Norwegian, and the pay was absolutely acceptable. Not perfect, but at the upper scale for low cost at the very least. Only long days and too many nightstops out of LGW was really a "minus" as I recall.

If Norwegian folds I suspect we will see an even faster decline in T&C's across the board. The next major low-cost company might not be as union friendly as Norwegian.

Not sure how this will play out, but I hope we will see a better, leaner Norweigan at the other end of Covid-19.

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I made no reference to the pilots. I know a considerable amount of them and agree with you.
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If Norwegian folds I suspect we will see an even faster decline in T&C's across the board. The next major low-cost company might not be as union friendly as Norwegian
This will assuage the bean counters

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Any idea what this may mean for the LGW SH skippers that were made redundant and looking at CRZ CPT on 787? Is this a ploy to suggest they are protecting jobs?

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Old 23rd Nov 2020, 13:16
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It was assumed that all the creditors would agree to the process, but getting a High Court Judgment against the company in which you have an interest is a pretty strong statement that the Courts will not ignore

"The judge awarded Norwegian temporary protection until December 7, by which time creditors of Norwegian’s Irish subsidiaries can lodge their opposition."

The problem now is that having the default judgements made by the UK Court, unless the examinership protection continues the winding up is almost certain unless the previous debts are paid off in full..

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Old 23rd Nov 2020, 17:39
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Boeing seeks dismissal of Norwegian Air’s €1bn lawsuit over Max aircraft

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...raft-1.4417147

”Boeing is bidding to stall troubled airline Norwegian Air’s $1 billion lawsuit against the US aircraft manufacturer while the Scandinavian carrier lines up a rescue attempt in the Irish courts”
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BOC Aviation Limited (China) dumps 39 million Norwegian shares and now owns just under 5% of the company.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 08:49
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BOC have been gradually selling shares but still hold over 182 Million shares in NAS and the group companies, although the values have plummeted since the bail out in May.
Selling these 39 Million shares would have generated $18M in May, now just $2M.

On a positive side, it does free up more shares for investment, although it looks like a fire sale by the leasing companies is taking place before the next stage of the examinership, which if rejected renders the shares worthless.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 11:17
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Even with the debt for shares program earlier this year, NAS still has a debt of around 4 billion Euros. No new investor will bei terested in throwing more money into this bottomless pitt.
The only sensible thing to do is liquidate this mismanaged company, eventhough it will hurt the creditors.
Norwegian will never be a serious contender in the aviation market again. Post Corona they will not have the muscle to compete with Ryanair, Wizz air and Easy Jet. Unless ” somebody” is stupid enough to inject at least 1 billion EUR into this doomed company.
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AerCap dumped another 48 million shares today.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 08:18
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Yeah, saw that somewhere. Wonder who is buying this next to worthless share.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 08:54
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For the financial gurus:

It is quite clear that only 20% of the income came from the home market, therefore, by definition, if the new structure allows just for Norway based operations, 80% of the revenue would be lost.. having said that, the biggest growth in revenue 29% came from "other" which translates to selling aircraft, fuel hedging, selling fixed assets, exchange transactions etc.. if you like "wooden dollars" as these transactions are really "one off".
Interestingly, USA and Spain were the second biggest source of pax revenues, again, with the demise of LH ops, thats another 19% lost.
A sensible model would appear to be a much reduced fleet, just SH and Norway and Spain operations.
In terms of who's buying shares, there are no apparent large single investors, and with the price so low perhaps many are taking a punt with over 66% of the shares up for grabs.

Sales per Business
2018 2019 Delta NOK (in Million) % NOK (in Million) % Passenger Transport 32,560 82.3% 35,216 82.6% +8.16% Ancillary 6,267 15.8% 6,652 15.6% +6.14% Other 695.60 1.8% 899.00 2.1% +29.24% Freight 743.30 1.9% 755.10 1.8% +1.59%

Sales per region
2019 NOK (in Million) % Norway 8,644 20.3% United States 8,313 19.5% Spain 6,005 14.1% Other 4,585 10.8% United Kingdom 4,458 10.5% Sweden 3,430 8% Denmark 2,977 7% France 1,949 4.6% Italy 1,214 2.8% Finland 1,206 2.8
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In terms of who's buying shares, there are no apparent large single investors, and with the price so low perhaps many are taking a punt with over 66% of the shares up for grabs.
As a long term value builder unless someone knows something about the future structure of the company they are probably not the greatest case out there getting involved in. But until the fate is known in detail the share have some good characteristics for day traders..... Large intraday swings in %, decent volume and spreads ( still ) so they can dip their feet and get in and out of the pond relatively easy. Also probably a close to zero value of them some time in the future…
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