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Old 24th Aug 2019, 11:49
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Printing error on the QRH. "LAND LKPR" apparently.
No problem, their most distant destination is Dubai, so it's a quick trip home. I'm sure they could make it on the APU alone.

Seriously, it would be very interesting to know what that captain was thinking.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 12:36
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded

Seriously, it would be very interesting to know what that captain was thinking.
That doesn't make it wrong. We put the decision making in the hands of the captain and after it's made we second guess him/her not against a hard rule but only against our own faded view from our computer screens.
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Fuel burn 737-800, LRC


Compared to 2 Engine LRC at Optimum Altitude how much more is it with one eng?

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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
That doesn't make it wrong. We put the decision making in the hands of the captain and after it's made we second guess him/her not against a hard rule but only against our own faded view from our computer screens.
Yes it does ........ What this crew did (if proved factual) was TOTALLY wrong in so many ways.
They’ve continued on to scheduled destination passing numerous “suitable airports”, not to mention crossing numerous sovereign state boundaries in an emergency condition.

Absolutely shocking !

Surely EASA will be investigating this incident ?
I know that if I was a passenger on this flight, I’d be on to a lawyer and suing their asses !


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Old 24th Aug 2019, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok
I know that if I was a passenger on this flight, I’d be on to a lawyer and suing their asses !
What harm would you sue for?
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
That doesn't make it wrong. We put the decision making in the hands of the captain and after it's made we second guess him/her not against a hard rule but only against our own faded view from our computer screens.
Since we won't be privy to an eventual report on this one, I'll go with the decision being not only wrong but wacko.I flew two different two-engine birds during my career, one of which was ETOPS (the first iteration of ETOPS).

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Originally Posted by aterpster
What harm would you sue for?
How about Reckless Endangerment for a start ?

Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions.
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The 2 clowns who operated this flight need to be prosecuted for gross criminal negligence....... Unbelievable !!
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...(if proved factual)....
So your opinion is, hang em high and then lets find out what really happened.

I sure hope I will never have to have anything to do with you in real life.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 13:32
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It was safe to operate,” the airline told Czech newspapers

The airline confirmed the incident to Czech newspaper iROZHLAS, stating that it was perfectly safe to operate the aircraft on one engine all the way to Prague.

SmartWings spokesperson Vlaďka Dufková denies that the company violated safety regulations and explains to newspaper Zdopravy.cz: “The crew proceeded in accordance with the safety and operational procedures for these cases and the aircraft landed safely. The commander of the aircraft is one of the most experienced in the company, the crew had the situation under control and certainly would not underestimate anything.

Zdopravy.cz asked the Czech Civil Aviation Authority for comments, and are still waiting for an answer.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/s...aining-engine/
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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok
The 2 clowns who operated this flight need to be prosecuted for gross criminal negligence....... Unbelievable !!
Under which legal jurisdiction? Point of origin, country of registration, flight crew nationality, countries overflown, or your own nationality?
The legal eagles will most assuredly get rich before you do, if you ever do so!
Be lucky
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Originally Posted by aterpster
What harm would you sue for?
See post 47 ! Same questions apply
Be lucky
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"safe to operate" - can this (statement) be true? If yes ... IMO this is not a flight crew problem, it is a problem that the airline is allowed to operate.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 14:04
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Safety

Flying is a matter of trust and safety is a parameter to which the Smartwings Group gives the greatest possible attention. Smartwings is certified as an air carrier for the scheduled and chartered commercial transportation of passengers and cargo according to European Union rules. The company has also met the demanding requirements of the FAA - the Federal Aviation Administration for flying in the US - and it is authorized for commercial flights to and from the US. Smartwings has repeatedly and successfully passed the rigorous safety audit of the international airline organization IATA (International Air Transport Association). The IOSA audit program (IATA Operational Safety Audit) checks the safety and quality of operation, and the airlines involved in the program must demonstrate their compliance with the strictest international standards.
Smartwings

Maybe the FAA will have a closer look after this incident.....
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Originally Posted by gearlever
Fuel burn 737-800, LRC


Compared to 2 Engine LRC at Optimum Altitude how much more is it with one eng?

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Boxed data so it's not exactly the same - but it shows a weight of 130,000 lbs to be able to cruise at FL250. Specific range is 79 nm/1000 lbs. At FL370 at 130,000 lbs the specific range is 111 nm/1000 lbs.
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Originally Posted by misd-agin
Boxed data so it's not exactly the same - but it shows a weight of 130,000 lbs to be able to cruise at FL250. Specific range is 79 nm/1000 lbs. At FL370 at 130,000 lbs the specific range is 111 nm/1000 lbs.
Thx misd
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 18:48
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Originally Posted by gearlever
Fuel burn 737-800, LRC


Compared to 2 Engine LRC at Optimum Altitude how much more is it with one eng?

Thx
Fuel burn depends on the DD (drift down) altitude capability provided by the FMC, if the crew had executed the EO (engine out) prompt on the FMC CRZ page.
DD provides best L over D in the descent but once established at the new FMC CRZ altitude, 300 knots or LRC can be set/selected.
QRH (engine failure etc) then directs the crew to land at nearest suitable. If fuel contamination was/could be part of the original problem, then the extended time in flight wasn't a good idea.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 20:11
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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok


How about Reckless Endangerment for a start ?

Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions.
Reminds me of the Hapag Lloyd flight that continued the flight with one main down. I believe the skipper lost his licence over this right before his retirement.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 20:27
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Originally Posted by Squawk7777
Reminds me of the Hapag Lloyd flight that continued the flight with one main down. I believe the skipper lost his licence over this right before his retirement.
He was actually convicted of a crime:

Court says A310 captain "endangered lives" by ignoring low-fuel warnings three years ago

The captain of a Hapag-Lloyd Airbus A310-300 that ran out of fuel just short of the runway at Vienna airport three years ago, has been given a six-month suspended prison sentence by a Hanover, Germany court for "endangering others' lives".Capt Wolfgang Arminger had voluntarily left his job at the German charter airline around six months after the accident. The court said he had ignored low-fuel warnings that began while he was over the Balkans when he was operating a flight on 12 July 2000 from Chania, Crete, to Hanover. The A310's landing gear would not retract after take-off from Chania, but the captain elected to continue to the destination, and the court criticised him for failing to take the option of diverting to a nearer airport such as Zagreb.

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Old 24th Aug 2019, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Squawk7777
Reminds me of the Hapag Lloyd flight that continued the flight with one main down. I believe the skipper lost his licence over this right before his retirement.
Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
He was actually convicted of a crime:
If it's flight 3378 in 2000 you're talking about, just one tiny detail... actually two tiny details. One, he ran out of fuel and crash-landed in Vienna. The Czech crew was a bit luckier. And it wasn't an engine out. It was gear down that he flew with. Again, IF you mean that flight.
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