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Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019

Old 14th Sep 2019, 21:04
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Has he been fired or just demoted to normal line captain?
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
Has he been fired or just demoted to normal line captain?
On Sep 13th 2019 The Aviation Herald learned that an internal investigation conducted by Smartwings identified there was no systemic fault, but a crew error. The captain of the flight, at that time head of flight operations of Smartwings, is no longer head of flight operations, his deputy has now taken that position. The captain continues to fly for the airline and maintains privileges as instructor, examiner and TRE. Czechia's CAA is determined to ensure that such a decision is not taken again in the future and pledges very harsh penalties. Surrounding nations also show significant interest in the ongoing investigation, revocations of overflight permits are being discussed.

Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 14:55
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Incident: Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019, engine shut down in flight, aircraft continued to Prague
last updated Friday, Oct 11th 2019 10:34Z

"While OK-TVO was still airborne south of Hungarian Airspace (after the engine shut down over the Aegean Sea), the office of Smartwings is said to have contacted a Budapest based maintenance provider about whether they would have spare parts readily available, the fuel supply of one of the engines was blocked. Subsequently it was decided the aircraft would not land in Budapest."
http://avherald.com/h?article=4cbe8434

https://zdopravy.cz/ucl-zahajil-spravni-rizeni-kvuli-letu-smartwings-na-jeden-motor-35320/
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https://translate.google.com/transla...motor-35320%2F

04 Oct 2019 12:56

Civil Aviation Authority (CAA)
commenced administrative proceedings over Smartwings' engine failure in August.

=leftVedle toho úřad pokračuje v dalším šetření.
In addition, the Office continues to investigate further.

=leftNa dotaz ČTK to dnes bez dalších podrobností uvedl mluvčí ÚCL Vítězslav Hezký.
A CTK spokesman Vitezslav Hezky said it today without further details.

=leftNení tak zatím zřejmé, zda je řízení vedeno proti dopravci, nebo někomu z posádky.
It is not yet clear whether the proceedings are brought against the carrier or someone from the crew.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 15:56
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This is the rumors section

There is a claim in the comments of the AVHerald article, that they landed on 900kg fuel and that the Cptn is therefore suspended in the meantime.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 10:42
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Just for the illustration how some experienced captains and 737 instructors over there are thinking (quote from an interview on ihned.cz):
"Kdyby odešel i druhý motor, letadlo by přistálo v terénu, takové případy jsou, většinou dopadly dobře. ", " Cestující nebyli přímo ohroženi. "
Rough translation: Even if the other engine became unoperative, the plane would have landed in the fields. Such cases happened, usually ended well. Passengers were not in direct danger.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 16:25
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Originally Posted by sejba View Post
Just for the illustration how some experienced captains and 737 instructors over there are thinking (quote from an interview on ihned.cz):
"Kdyby odešel i druhý motor, letadlo by přistálo v terénu, takové případy jsou, většinou dopadly dobře. ", " Cestující nebyli přímo ohroženi. "
Rough translation: Even if the other engine became unoperative, the plane would have landed in the fields. Such cases happened, usually ended well. Passengers were not in direct danger.
Please tell me that this is a joke.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 16:29
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Originally Posted by sejba View Post
Just for the illustration how some experienced captains and 737 instructors over there are thinking (quote from an interview on ihned.cz):
"Kdyby odešel i druhý motor, letadlo by přistálo v terénu, takové případy jsou, většinou dopadly dobře. ", " Cestující nebyli přímo ohroženi. "
Rough translation: Even if the other engine became unoperative, the plane would have landed in the fields. Such cases happened, usually ended well. Passengers were not in direct danger.
Wow, they make top gun pilots look like a kindergarten.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 17:11
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Originally Posted by sejba View Post
Just for the illustration how some experienced captains and 737 instructors over there are thinking (quote from an interview on ihned.cz):
"Kdyby odešel i druhý motor, letadlo by přistálo v terénu, takové případy jsou, většinou dopadly dobře. ", " Cestující nebyli přímo ohroženi. "
Rough translation: Even if the other engine became unoperative, the plane would have landed in the fields. Such cases happened, usually ended well. Passengers were not in direct danger.
Well, sure, it might well have "landed" in the fields. Such cases definitely have happened. And the pax weren't in "direct danger" -- that would only have been the case if that field "landing" actually happened.

Sheesh.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 11:03
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17 minutes of interview time with the gentleman.

First question: "What would you have done ...(in an identical circumstance) ...?"
First answer: "It's laid out very clearly. Post engine failure, and after the restart is not successful, it is written absolutely unequivocally to land at the nearest suitable aerodrome."
His second sentence to immediately follow without being asked: "Myself I have counted up to 7 aerodromes (under their flight-path)."

Sorry, no time to find out the exact moment and context where the originally quoted piece came from. And no need either.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 18:34
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Originally Posted by TheBat View Post
Please tell me that this is a joke.
Not a joke.
To be fair, he is ex-smartwings pilot. But then, somehow, this represents state of mind of some current senior pilots there.

I can't post links, but let's try it this way: domaci.ihned.cz/c1-66650740-let-smartwings-bez-motoru-lidi-neohrozili-doletem-do-prahy-neusetrili-nic-rika-pilot
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
17 minutes of interview time with the gentleman.

First question: "What would you have done ...(in an identical circumstance) ...?"
First answer: "It's laid out very clearly. Post engine failure, and after the restart is not successful, it is written absolutely unequivocally to land at the nearest suitable aerodrome."
His second sentence to immediately follow without being asked: "Myself I have counted up to 7 aerodromes (under their flight-path)."

Sorry, no time to find out the exact moment and context where the originally quoted piece came from. And no need either.
Here's the Google Translate English rendering of the Blesk story on the DVTV interview:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&u=https://www.blesk.cz/clanek/zpravy-krimi/621005/pilot-o-letu-smartwings-s-jednim-motorem-riziko-nehrozilo-mohli-pristat-v-terenu.html
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 20:00
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I really hope Ladislav Keller's statement got fouled up beyond all recognition by translation.
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 17:27
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Incident: Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019, engine shut down in flight, aircraft continued to Prague
last updated Thursday, Oct 24th 2019 16:04Z

On Oct 24th 2019
Czechia's UZPLN reported in their 3rd quarter 2019 bulletin,
that the aircraft was enroute at FL360 when the #1 engine failed.

The crew reported a "maintenance issue" to ATC and requested to descend to FL240.

No PAN or emergency call was issued.

The crew attempted to restart the engine twice unsuccessfully.

The captain tagged the nearest suitable aerodrome to be Prague
and continued to Prague without informing any of the ATC stations
along the 2:20 hours route about the engine failure until in contact with Prague Air Traffic Control,

when the crew declared PAN and reported the failure of the #1 engine.
The aircraft landed.

A fuel pump caused the engine to starve, metallic chips were found in the fuel filter.

Both parts were shipped for expert examination.
An investigation into the occurrence rated a serious incident is continuing.
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 20:26
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Maybe the wings are smart, but......
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 21:30
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Let’s hope with the demise of a certain charter company, these jokers aren’t operating in UK airspace next summer season
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 04:37
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Originally Posted by Meester proach View Post
Let’s hope with the demise of a certain charter company, these jokers aren’t operating in UK airspace next summer season
They were due to fly an IT holiday series contract from Jersey to Tenerife and Malaga but I think someone else is doing it now (It was to be a Smartwings MAX)
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 07:31
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They operate in UK airspace every week!

As the parent company of CSA Czech Airlines, they operate most of CSA's scheduled flights on the Prague to Birmingham route and fly Prague to Gatwick themselves, although I think this may be seasonal
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 08:53
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Originally Posted by sewushr View Post
They operate in UK airspace every week!

As the parent company of CSA Czech Airlines, they operate most of CSA's scheduled flights on the Prague to Birmingham route and fly Prague to Gatwick themselves, although I think this may be seasonal
Both those services now appear to have ceased.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 09:14
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One of theirs popped into Bournemouth yesterday according to the spotty spotters FB group (for painting?)
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 12:56
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Would be interesting to know how much fuel was left.......
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