Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL
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That looks like a lot of work; most of the damage is not visible. I don't know planes, but if this were a boat I would say that you have at least four compromised bulkheads and a whole bunch of stringers that need to be replaced. The big problem is going to be doing this with all of the wiring bundles in place, you can get it all back together and spend a year chasing gremlins caused by wires damaged in the repair process. Of course, in your world you can't simply tow a plane back to harbor when the electrical system fails.
I recall that many years ago a certain type of wiring insulation was used that degraded after X number of years, and a lot of planes became uneconomical to repair.
I recall that many years ago a certain type of wiring insulation was used that degraded after X number of years, and a lot of planes became uneconomical to repair.
Flight tracking shows a straight in visual on RWY 12 (Nav Portugal doesnt publish any IAP chart for RWY 12 I can find). I haven't operated into there but have paxed in. Looks like 2 pilot WOCL operation - left JFK at 11:51pm.
Wind was 040/12 so wind off the (lowish) hills to the NE - so no where near as exciting as Funchal. PDL is home to wide body ops of Azores Airlines (SATA) with regular flights to FRA, BOS etc so it's not the backwoods.
Açores are a seriously beautiful place if you get the chance to visit.
Wind was 040/12 so wind off the (lowish) hills to the NE - so no where near as exciting as Funchal. PDL is home to wide body ops of Azores Airlines (SATA) with regular flights to FRA, BOS etc so it's not the backwoods.
Açores are a seriously beautiful place if you get the chance to visit.
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I’ve got about 4500 hours PIC in the 757. I wouldn’t be surprised if they dropped the nose on after touchdown. If you got into full reverse without “flying” the nose down gently it will slam on. I always had my hands right by the yoke all the way through the derotatation when the F/O was flying and saved a few slammers over the years.
Best technique is to open the reversers on landing but don’t go above idle until the nose was down. Also had the nose pop up once on a landing by the other guy as well. To this day I still am not totally sure what caused that other than the spoilers deploying with the nose up during touchdown.
Best technique is to open the reversers on landing but don’t go above idle until the nose was down. Also had the nose pop up once on a landing by the other guy as well. To this day I still am not totally sure what caused that other than the spoilers deploying with the nose up during touchdown.
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Those guys had their work cut out for them and the nose seemed to have been derotated fairly quickly, even before the reversers had any effect, no doubt to get some much needed nosewheel steering. But it wouldn't take much for that to have been a lot harder given some unfavorable shear. I guess I'm asking, is it something you worry about in the B757 that you might not worry so much about in say a B777? Or is this just pilot technique/bad day at the office/weather related issue for which the B757 is no more likely to suffer this damage than any other similar type? Apologies in advance for the clumsy question.
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Similar event at Funchal with Air Europe 757
There was a similar albeit less damage caused incident at Funchal in the 80's. I think that aircraft was repaired on site by Boeing people to a standard where it was flown back to Seattle for fixing.
You may recall AE subbed a couple of Nationair DC8's based at MAN and LGW. Brakedwell may be along to comment..........
You may recall AE subbed a couple of Nationair DC8's based at MAN and LGW. Brakedwell may be along to comment..........
The 757 was designed for NY-Miami and the old BEA system (which still existed in BA). As a political project, it was intended to enlist RR and the US-worshipping ends of the Civil Service to drag BAe out of Airbus and into partnership with Boeing. As it happened, RR and P&W beat the snot out of one another coming up with the perfect 757 engine, while GE bailed out and (with Snecma) proceeded to dominate the single-aisle market.
Uncompetitive for most domestic US flights, the 757 was the nastiest way to cross the Pond until the sadists invented the nine-abreast 787 - on a hot day, long-range cruise was the only way to get there and ground speed westbound could be in the low 400s, easily. Not to mention the horrible -300, which shook like a wet dog in crosswinds.
The sooner they're all turned into aircraft-grade aluminum rollaboard frames, the better.
Uncompetitive for most domestic US flights, the 757 was the nastiest way to cross the Pond until the sadists invented the nine-abreast 787 - on a hot day, long-range cruise was the only way to get there and ground speed westbound could be in the low 400s, easily. Not to mention the horrible -300, which shook like a wet dog in crosswinds.
The sooner they're all turned into aircraft-grade aluminum rollaboard frames, the better.
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The sooner they're all turned into aircraft-grade aluminum rollaboard frames, the better.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you would enjoy travelling across the pond nowadays on the A-320 family narrowbodies since they are not so politically incorrect as that "horrible" 757, or any other horrible American product...
I'm sure you would enjoy travelling across the pond nowadays on the A-320 family narrowbodies since they are not so politically incorrect as that "horrible" 757, or any other horrible American product...
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Charlie Fox:
This thread is a discussion of a B-757 hard landing and consequent damage. What does your Post #41 showing damage to Lufthansa D-ABYZ, a B-747-230B have to do with the subject of this thread?
This thread is a discussion of a B-757 hard landing and consequent damage. What does your Post #41 showing damage to Lufthansa D-ABYZ, a B-747-230B have to do with the subject of this thread?
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DL will indeed attempt to repair the 757 damaged in a hard landing at PDL. A chartered Antonov 124 carrying parts, equipment and Boeing engineers flew from Piane Field KPAE to KATL where some DL technicians were boarded. It then flew onto PDL. Rumor has it that the plane will be ferried to KJAX where repairs will be completed.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...900Z/KPAE/KATL
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...300Z/KATL/LPPD
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...900Z/KPAE/KATL
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...300Z/KATL/LPPD
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Why would Delta Airlines (DL) ferry the damaged B-757 to KJAX (Jacksonville, Florida), instead of KATL (Atlanta, Georgia) where their home base is located? Delta's home base features some pretty impressive MRO facilities. Is there a heavy maintenance facility located at KJAX?
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Yes, there is: Flightstar.