Lufthansa do not want to pay.
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Lufthansa do not want to pay.
Lufthansa have angered the relatives of the deceased from 4U9525 with a letter alleging that those lost had no fear of death and thus disputing the level of compensation.
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This might depend marginally on how the PX interpreted the fact that the CP presumably did hammer at length with an axe on the cockpit door. If they all happened to think that is normal, then fine.
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What it was like for those on that aircraft is unimaginable.
Maybe Lufthansa should have another listen to the CVR - where not only the blows of the axe the skipper was using to try and break in are heard but also the screams of the passengers are clearly audible.
Disgraceful attempt at evading a large payout. Shame on them.
Disgraceful attempt at evading a large payout. Shame on them.
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I think Lufti´s behaviour has a lot to do with self-protection, i.e. never ending claims. They have learned from accidents of other airlines. Apart from claims, there are the annual tours to the accident scene. Very respected airlines, Lufthansa certainly is one too, had to put an end to what had become accident site tourism. I am aware that
this is a very emotional subject, but critics must also be reminded that there are conditions of contract, which clearly restrict payments to a certain amount. People accept these conditions when they buy a ticket. Unfortunately a " claim industry " has discovered this as a good source of income.
this is a very emotional subject, but critics must also be reminded that there are conditions of contract, which clearly restrict payments to a certain amount. People accept these conditions when they buy a ticket. Unfortunately a " claim industry " has discovered this as a good source of income.
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I think Lufti´s behaviour has a lot to do with self-protection, i.e. never ending claims. They have learned from accidents of other airlines. Apart from claims, there are the annual tours to the accident scene. Very respected airlines, Lufthansa certainly is one too, had to put an end to what had become accident site tourism. I am aware that
this is a very emotional subject, but critics must also be reminded that there are conditions of contract, which clearly restrict payments to a certain amount. People accept these conditions when they buy a ticket. Unfortunately a " claim industry " has discovered this as a good source of income.
this is a very emotional subject, but critics must also be reminded that there are conditions of contract, which clearly restrict payments to a certain amount. People accept these conditions when they buy a ticket. Unfortunately a " claim industry " has discovered this as a good source of income.
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I think Lufti´s behaviour has a lot to do with self-protection, i.e. never ending claims. They have learned from accidents of other airlines. Apart from claims, there are the annual tours to the accident scene. Very respected airlines, Lufthansa certainly is one too, had to put an end to what had become accident site tourism. I am aware that
this is a very emotional subject, but critics must also be reminded that there are conditions of contract, which clearly restrict payments to a certain amount. People accept these conditions when they buy a ticket. Unfortunately a " claim industry " has discovered this as a good source of income.
this is a very emotional subject, but critics must also be reminded that there are conditions of contract, which clearly restrict payments to a certain amount. People accept these conditions when they buy a ticket. Unfortunately a " claim industry " has discovered this as a good source of income.
Most courts consider suffering in judging quantum, but trying this argument before a hearing where the alleged facts seem to ridicule their claim decimates any support for the airline.
The other issue that concerns me are the amounts involved. The relatives are claiming 50,000 euros and Lufthansa wants to pay 25,000. Even ignoring the USA, these sums seem derisory. If a family has lost a sole bread winner it wont even cover the first year's costs.......I am not discussing what the various conventions require the airlines to pay, I am commenting on the probity of these amounts which IMHO totally fail to compensate the relatives.
The other issue that concerns me are the amounts involved. The relatives are claiming 50,000 euros and Lufthansa wants to pay 25,000. Even ignoring the USA, these sums seem derisory. If a family has lost a sole bread winner it wont even cover the first year's costs.......I am not discussing what the various conventions require the airlines to pay, I am commenting on the probity of these amounts which IMHO totally fail to compensate the relatives.
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Most courts consider suffering in judging quantum, but trying this argument before a hearing where the alleged facts seem to ridicule their claim decimates any support for the airline.
The other issue that concerns me are the amounts involved. The relatives are claiming 50,000 euros and Lufthansa wants to pay 25,000. Even ignoring the USA, these sums seem derisory. If a family has lost a sole bread winner it wont even cover the first year's costs.......I am not discussing what the various conventions require the airlines to pay, I am commenting on the probity of these amounts which IMHO totally fail to compensate the relatives.
The other issue that concerns me are the amounts involved. The relatives are claiming 50,000 euros and Lufthansa wants to pay 25,000. Even ignoring the USA, these sums seem derisory. If a family has lost a sole bread winner it wont even cover the first year's costs.......I am not discussing what the various conventions require the airlines to pay, I am commenting on the probity of these amounts which IMHO totally fail to compensate the relatives.
I don't understand why LH just doesn't pay up and be glad that the case is not all over the media any more. As you said, the claims are benign when compared to US standards, and there is probably more harm than good done by making any fuss about the payment and potentially have the media on the whole thing again.
I don't understand why LH just doesn't pay up and be glad that the case is not all over the media any more. As you said, the claims are benign when compared to US standards, and there is probably more harm than good done by making any fuss about the payment and potentially have the media on the whole thing again.
That notwithstanding, I agree 100% with Aviator Dave, they should thank their lucky stars that this is out of the media and do whatever it takes to keep it out.
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The only explanation is we do not have the whole picture.
Financial distinction between 25 or 50 k is minuscule for a company their size. The threat of the event details resurfacing and opening up the unhealed wounds on the front page is real, with enormous consequences.
Yet they chose to risk the latter against accepting the former. A possibility that this was a flop decision by a small, unsupervised group of managers is beyond probable, in my opinion.
Financial distinction between 25 or 50 k is minuscule for a company their size. The threat of the event details resurfacing and opening up the unhealed wounds on the front page is real, with enormous consequences.
Yet they chose to risk the latter against accepting the former. A possibility that this was a flop decision by a small, unsupervised group of managers is beyond probable, in my opinion.
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As I understand it it's really about that 25k.
There will also be a surviving dependants' pension in addition to that but the numbers will not depend on the pain and suffering but on general numbers defined by the family courts like for child support in case of divorce. This means a significant hit to the standard of living - which is why those 25k are important to the families.
My bet is indeed on some middle manager doing a disservice to his employer.
There will also be a surviving dependants' pension in addition to that but the numbers will not depend on the pain and suffering but on general numbers defined by the family courts like for child support in case of divorce. This means a significant hit to the standard of living - which is why those 25k are important to the families.
My bet is indeed on some middle manager doing a disservice to his employer.
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As I said before, the families have to try and get everything they can, because the sums are rather smallish and do by no means secure the standard of living as in other jurisdictions where the compensation might be based on what the deceased could have earnt throughout his live or might be even higher because the compensations are thought to have punitive character.
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LH has no honor. I guess they only care abiut their shareholders and nothing else.
I had a claim against them, delayed flight due to trchnical reasons (reason announced by the Captain!). It was was a clear case where eu passenger compensation applies. They called me to tell me they reviewed my claim, but it was denied. I wrote back an email citing one of the EU courts rulings right arter the call. And literary 5 minutes later ingot another call that now my claim has been reviewed and I was going to be compensated.
They are playing the same game, but of course, the suffering of those people due to their medical screwup is on another level. Disgraceful. And they will lose anyway. It‘s just to show to their shareholders they did everything they could to save that „expenditure“.
I had a claim against them, delayed flight due to trchnical reasons (reason announced by the Captain!). It was was a clear case where eu passenger compensation applies. They called me to tell me they reviewed my claim, but it was denied. I wrote back an email citing one of the EU courts rulings right arter the call. And literary 5 minutes later ingot another call that now my claim has been reviewed and I was going to be compensated.
They are playing the same game, but of course, the suffering of those people due to their medical screwup is on another level. Disgraceful. And they will lose anyway. It‘s just to show to their shareholders they did everything they could to save that „expenditure“.