Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Hong Kong airport closed

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Hong Kong airport closed

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 13th Aug 2019, 12:44
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by oceancrosser
I have been thinking how long till the Red Army rolls in “to restore order”. Would be the end of HK as we have known it.
The "Red Army" was the Soviet Union. This would be the "People's Liberation Army", coming to liberate us HKers from any ideas of unapproved thought or action.
Paul852 is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 12:51
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,534
Received 49 Likes on 31 Posts
Vid of long lines of military trucks just over the Border, recently posted on Twitter.
Supposedly fake news, but I can't see this ending well either.
krismiler is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 13:27
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: YARM
Age: 74
Posts: 136
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by krismiler
Supposedly fake news, but I can't see this ending well either.
I'm not sure about that ...

The Guardian today: "State media outlets [posted] videos with a rousing choral soundtrack showing armoured troop carriers purportedly driving to Shenzhen, the south-eastern state that borders Hong Kong. Chinese officials have released a series of threatening statements about Hong Kong's protesters, with one claiming 'terrorism' was emerging in the city on Monday after flights were cancelled Subscribe to Guardian News on YouTube"

You would hope the CCP government would want to avoid another tiananmen.
unworry is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 13:35
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Europe
Posts: 970
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Regardless of where my political sympathies are, I'd like to bring up another issue. The Chinese from HK have just invented a new tool of the political struggle, paralyzing airports en masse. Wishing them and the democracy well in principle, I really wouldn't like to see their followers using this tool elsewhere. What a mess could potentially arise... are we prepared?
eu01 is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 13:51
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: London
Posts: 208
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
That part is a scary as what is about to happen to the young kids .There are also some very disturbing news about surveillance cameras with face recognition software being introduced in various public locations at the moment in Europe ( e.g. France and UK) . The future is not looking good folks ...
Already in use in Hong Kong, which is why the protestors have been using lasers during protests to disrupt the cameras.
Lord Bracken is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 14:24
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Kipling's Twain
Age: 71
Posts: 318
Received 49 Likes on 10 Posts
At HKIA now and just watched a young chap use a much lower tech device. He hung a red umbrella over the CCTV camera. Effective!

All staff at the airport have disappeared (22.20 local) and pax are hanging around waiting to see if any flights are going. Most check in desks are occupied by sleeping pax. Crews are reporting but it is up to HKIA to open the check in facilities before anything moves.

Still boisterous cheering coming from the various groups of demonstrators. I doubt anything will move for a couple of hours, if at all tonight.
anxiao is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 15:01
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: the City by the Bay
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Protests at the airport are not new to that part of the world. In the 70s and 80s the rising opposition to the then ruling KMT party in Taiwan used large scale street protests in major cities in Taiwan. Often blocking the railroad stations (sometimes even bringing rail traffic to a complete halt with thousands of people on the tracks. And the TPE airport was often brought to temporary closure as they blocked all access to the airport.

Taiwan riot police were very busy in those days with the infamous yellow riot control (essentially crash tenders) trucks in use everywhere.
These protests only ended when the opposition DPP party came to power. The current President of Taiwan is from the DPP and her party may currently be the majority in government.

The KMT controlled government of Taiwan in those days , under the direction of Chiang Ching Kuo (son of the late Generalissimo Chiang Kai shek) took a benign attitude and did not release the military on the rioters, which allowed the eventual ascension of the opposition party. IF the KMT had resorted to it's old ways (228 incident) many thousands would have died.

A lot of people were bloodied in those riots in Taiwan but if I recall correctly (I lived in Taiwan in those decades) nobody was killed although many rioters as well as riot control policemen were sent to the hospital.

I watched one early morning in Taipei in the late 70s as Taiwan riot police were practicing riot control and right behind them were the military with guns. But the military was never used (never made an appearance in any riots) and the riot police were ordered not to use violent force, other than the yellow water trucks and batons. Riot police never carried guns.

The problem is that the HK rioters are facing the CCP government of China. Which is a different animal entirely. The CCP faces dissent from Tibet and Mongolia, the problems with integration of HK and the Taiwan issue. They are likely to take a very heavy hand. They will not allow HK independence because to do so will be to allow TAiwan Independence as well as Tibet and Mongolia independence. The CCP will fight tooth and claw to retain it's control of China.

IF protests disrupt the society in HK to the point where the airport can not open and function and HK itself is brought to a standstill I can see the CCP government of China responding with force.
armchairpilot94116 is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 16:27
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Texas, like a whole other country
Posts: 444
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by eu01
Regardless of where my political sympathies are, I'd like to bring up another issue. The Chinese from HK have just invented a new tool of the political struggle, paralyzing airports en masse. Wishing them and the democracy well in principle, I really wouldn't like to see their followers using this tool elsewhere. What a mess could potentially arise... are we prepared?
IIRC this happened in Bangkok once or twice some years back, so it's not exactly a first. A most bedeviling tactic in any case.
Carbon Bootprint is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 16:56
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Outer London
Age: 43
Posts: 604
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by atakacs
Right you are

To be honest not covered as it should in the west IMHO
You’re joking, right? Or is Fox News your outlet of choice?
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2019, 23:41
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 80
Received 17 Likes on 11 Posts
Quite possibly, but I don't think that the protectors have considered that outcome
Chris2303 is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2019, 08:15
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BBC showing security staff inspecting passports and travel tickets outside the terminal today with a queuing system being implemented, so (in theory!) no protests in departures. Apparently a small number still in arrivals, however far fewer than yesterday.
DDDriver is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2019, 14:49
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 997
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cathay Pacific says has fired two pilots
gearlever is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2019, 15:23
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Better detail (including the dismissal-worthy photo) from the HongKongFreePress.
Paul852 is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2019, 21:13
  #34 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gearlever
Only 47 to go!
Silvershadow is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2019, 04:49
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: awstrukinfailure
Posts: 88
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting point to ponder. Is it possible that Mainland China could send in 'agitators' to stir things up? - thereby giving them an excuse to 'restore' order. I just wonder the benefit of continuing the fracas. A bit of a David and Goliath situation. From the PRC's perspective it would cure the issue of having the HK thorn in their side. Would not be the first time 'disruptors' were sent in to stir things along to achieve a means to an end.

Conspiracy theory nightmare!. Ducks for Cover!
plainmaker is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2019, 10:32
  #36 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 283
Received 127 Likes on 36 Posts
Originally Posted by plainmaker
Interesting point to ponder. Is it possible that Mainland China could send in 'agitators' to stir things up? - thereby giving them an excuse to 'restore' order. I just wonder the benefit of continuing the fracas. A bit of a David and Goliath situation. From the PRC's perspective it would cure the issue of having the HK thorn in their side. Would not be the first time 'disruptors' were sent in to stir things along to achieve a means to an end.

Conspiracy theory nightmare!. Ducks for Cover!
Its not much of a conspiracy. Plenty of video of "HK police" speaking mandarin to each other. The PRC are deeply involved here, steering events to suit their goals.
das Uber Soldat is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2019, 12:45
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the twilight zone
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
Its not much of a conspiracy. Plenty of video of "HK police" speaking mandarin to each other. The PRC are deeply involved here, steering events to suit their goals.
What do they usually speak?
The Range is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2019, 12:49
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: England
Age: 78
Posts: 158
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cantonese?
Shytehawk is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2019, 13:49
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes, Cantonese 99% of the time. Sometimes English at the more senior levels.
Paul852 is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2019, 14:15
  #40 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: In the back of a bus
Posts: 1,023
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by standbykid
It has been implied that the 'police' may actually be military from the mainland.
there's photos circulating in social media showing "typical" police behaviour pre protests and police behaviour since around the time things got more violent and ugly.

One image shows the "horse" defensive stance typically adapted by Chinese military juxtaposed with the different typical stance of HKP pre protest. Photos from the last week show same behaviour and stances between CM and HKP. Draw your own conclusions.

I frequently nightstopped in HK until late 2017. Sometimes 4 or 5 times a month. Scary to think thst people just like me could be hauled off to the mainland at the whim of the Chinese government.

Crews still flying there should be extremely careful. I'd honestly buy a burner phone and leave the laptop/iPad at home if going to HK.
givemewings is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.