Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike

[Runcorn Bridge]

If the rumours are true, many bottled it and went to work. Please someone in the know tell me this isn’t the case.

[beachbumflyer]

Are there many pilots from other bases calling in sick? If they are not, they should be.

[Runcorn Bridge]

Originally Posted by beachbumflyer

Are there many pilots from other bases calling in sick? If they are not, they should be.

Problem with that is if you are a contractor you don’t get paid if you don’t work. Ryanair management are far from stupid in that regard.

[ayroplain]

Fair point, but I feel that some disruption to the operation for customers is needed too

What a thoughtful and considerate person you are.

Are there many pilots from other bases calling in sick? If they are not, they should be.

At up to a grand a day bonus plus expenses you must be joking

[Runcorn Bridge]

Originally Posted by ayroplain

Fair point, but I feel that some disruption to the operation for customers is needed too

What a thoughtful and considerate person you are.

You know me so well from just one post! You have amazing powers of deduction.

[Alycidon]

Fair point, but I feel that some disruption to the operation for customers is needed too.

are you aware that an airline is in the service sector?

[Byrne11]

Ryanair has a large percent of pilots who are contractors they can’t strike anyway. 30% of UK pilots voting to strike, can be covered.

The salaries being mentioned are absurd, cadet around 30k SO around 40k FO around 60k SFI around 70/80k + Captain 100k+

The issue isn’t money, it’s the small things everyone else takes for granted

[Runcorn Bridge]

Originally Posted by Alycidon

are you aware that an airline is in the service sector?

Are you aware that when a unionised pilot workforce feel that their terms and conditions are under attack that they have the right to down tools, if the company will not negotiate?

[Alycidon]

Fair point, but I feel that some disruption to the operation for customers is needed too.

I’m assuming this comment is a “False Flag” designed to disingenuously highlight a lack of regard to the rights of the fare paying public.

[fergusd]

Originally Posted by old,not bold

Just catching up here...............what BS.

If you work in the leisure industry, which is where Ryanair, and BA to a lesser extent, sit fair and square, you don't get holidays when the customers have them. Get over it, or work in another industry, eg hauling freight.

Striking is a last resort to get your way regardless of the merits of your grievances, especially when those merits are pretty much invisible. Pious expressions of sorrow about the consequent suffering of the victims of strikes (aka customers who pay your salaries) are just nauseating. Strike if you must in a peak holiday period, so as to maximise the suffering of those customers as a bargaining tool, but spare us the crap about how you just hate doing it.

Quite, and enough of the'humane' BS as well. The sole aim here is explicitly to cause maximum disruption to the public to achieve your goals (or not). Suggest putting on your uniforms and soliciting opinion in a departure hall full of people who's flights and once a year holidays you have just ruined, I suspect you will then understand what inhumane treatment is like.
The airline industry, so out of touch with almost everything, it seems, it's astounding.

[foxmoth]

If you work in the leisure industry, which is where Ryanair, and BA to a lesser extent, sit fair and square, you don't get holidays when the customers have them.

And furgusd talks about BS! There are many of us working in this industry who DO get holidays at these times, yes there are restrictions and most accept that as part of the job!
As for

The sole aim here is explicitly to cause maximum disruption to the public to achieve your goals

, whilst there may be a few thinking along those lines most will be trying to cause maximum disruption to the Company and be happy if the Customers are not affected - this certainly happened for TCX where the management pilots had to work nights and weekends, all the flights left pretty much as normal but the company caved in after a couple of strike days, I don't think anyone striking was unhappy that the customers were not too affected!

[Marchettiman]

Inhumane treatment? In my experience that's what you normally get as a fare paying passenger on Ryanair.

[beachbumflyer]

Originally Posted by Runcorn Bridge

Problem with that is if you are a contractor you don’t get paid if you don’t work. Ryanair management are far from stupid in that regard.

Striking pilots don't get paid either for the days on strike. Contractors should do something to help.

[Obama57]

Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur

Skynews is reporting that UK based RYR pilots have voted for strike action and have announced dates -:
22-23 August and 2/9-4/9 inclusive.
Sorry can’t post a link at the moment.
Be lucky
David
Thanks to Senor Richard for the tip

5 days... I’m sorry. That is not a strike. That is a vacation.

[ayroplain]

Originally Posted by beachbumflyer

Contractors should do something to help.

They are doing something to help - the people who pay their salaries!!!

[bulldog89]

Originally Posted by Obama57

5 days... I’m sorry. That is not a strike. That is a vacation.

Don't know about your country, but in the EU we've also seen 7-consecutive-days strikes.
And guess what? Their companies are still profitable and they have the best T&C of the entire continent.

Just a reminder: we're talking about an airline threatening to fire 400 pilots while making a 1 BILLION euro net profit each year (and not providing food and water to crew members). They could fly 24 months with no passengers on board and still have cash...and you're upset by a 2+3 days strike?

[VJW]

Originally Posted by bulldog89

Don't know about your country, but in the EU we've also seen 7-consecutive-days strikes.
And guess what? Their companies are still profitable and they have the best T&C of the entire continent.

Just a reminder: we're talking about an airline threatening to fire 400 pilots while making a 1 BILLION euro net profit each year (and not providing food and water to crew members). They could fly 24 months with no passengers on board and still have cash...and you're upset by a 2+3 days strike?

While that’s true are you suggesting a strike is pointless? FWIW running the airline with no passengers is cheaper than than having to pay EU261 compensation to them. LoCo airlines probably only make 10 Euro profit per pax so losing 10 x 189 pax will only mean profits are down ~2k a sector. If you cancelled the same flight and had to pay 400 euro per passenger that equates to +75k.... so yes they can ‘afford to run the airline with no passengers for 2 years and still have money in the bank’ but that’s not what they’d be doing. Out of their 2000 odd sectors a day that 75k per sector soon adds up..

[Paul Lupp]

I have a work colleague due to fly on the MOL Line later today from Stanstead. She's still not sure if the flight will go ahead and the latest news she has been given is along the lines of "It depends if the pilot turns up for work".

So when she leaves work, does she drive to the airport or not? Her home and the airport are in totally different directions from work.
There does not appear to be any useful information on the Stanstead airport website at the moment.... What a shambles !

[bobdh478]

Originally Posted by Alycidon

er, no it’s not.

Airlines pay pay a variable rate for fuel subject to both fuel and currency hedging, but to get back on subject...

Manpower in any large company is sourced as cheaply as the market will allow, I think RYR see this as good business practice.
Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all, but strike action won’t make this happen and I worry that downsizing or closing bases won’t only affect pilots, but Cabin Crew, Engineers and Handling staff will lose their jobs too.

proceed with caution...

Yes, proceed with so much caution and temerity that you end up with no jobs. Just the same as the Merchant service.

[172_driver]

The airline industry, so out of touch with almost everything, it seems, it's astounding

Possibly, but that's a fight each and every industry has to take then. It's not like the money Ryanair makes go to charity (unless you believe in the scratch cards) or make the world a better place for others.