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Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike

Old 8th Aug 2019, 10:51
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Last Friday. HR canceled all the OCC. Some people starting on Monday. People with signed contracts leaving jobs in other companies. Now without Job.

Incredible all the people with signed contract and without work.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 11:03
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Speak to the Guardian?

*This is a repost because I idiotically included the wrong email address earlier*

I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable.

Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA.

Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at guardian dot co dot uk

Many thanks,

Rob
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 11:26
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Originally Posted by GuardianMan
Hi,

I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable.

Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA.

Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at gmail dot com.

Many thanks,

Rob
Rob Davies - the man who writes c... all the time and has a gmail address
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 12:36
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It's almost a year since my Sept flight was cancelled by RYR, costing me a pretty penny to get home from Germany; now it's happening again. Is it just coincidence that the planned strikes are to take place during holiday season?

Either way, Ryanair seem determined to go down in history for p'ing off the most amount of people/passengers/pilots/cabin crew ever.

Rory
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 13:42
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Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737
Rob Davies - the man who writes c... all the time and has a gmail address
Do let me know what I've written that is false or inaccurate, always keen to hear if I've made a mistake. In general the response to my work from pilots has been pretty positive but I'd like to know if i'm doing anything wrong.

Regarding the Gmail address, that was clearly an error, which I have corrected. The email suffix for me is @guardian.co.uk

Best wishes
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 14:32
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Originally Posted by Rated De
His idiot second cousin, also a man short of stature is doing a ripper job in the antipodes destroying another airline.
What does height or stature have to do with ability? Resist the urge to personalize attacks, it detracts from your argument, Stick to the facts, if you can demonstrate that they are failing in the Job objectives,please do so by relevant facts.
Stature in this case is not relevant.
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Idiocy Doctor Cruces. Antediluvian attitude.

People don't go on strike because they don't want their job. I was part of one recently, and we desperately wanted our jobs, and in accordance with agreements previously made and not honoured by management.
I KNOW that, perhaps I should have been more direct for those who can't work it out for themselves. Maybe I should have said, with MOL looking to shed staff, perhaps this isn't the best time to go on strike!
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 15:13
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Perfect Time for a Strike!

So Doctor , when would be a perfect time for a Strike , in Your experience?

I would say now is as good time as any, or xMass or Easter , and guess what , it will happen then as well.

Unless Management comes to its senses and realize it need Commanders and not just hoards of cadets.
I would like to remind You that the Ryanair pilots are protected by law and are the last to be let go in case of redundancy.
Only 30 to max 40 % of the pilots are Ryanair Employed the rest are Contractors the majority on 0-hr contracts.
So, no fear of reprisals.

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by kessler1
It's almost a year since my Sept flight was cancelled by RYR, costing me a pretty penny to get home from Germany; now it's happening again. Is it just coincidence that the planned strikes are to take place during holiday season?

Either way, Ryanair seem determined to go down in history for p'ing off the most amount of people/passengers/pilots/cabin crew ever.

Rory
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Doctor Cruces
I KNOW that, perhaps I should have been more direct for those who can't work it out for themselves. Maybe I should have said, with MOL looking to shed staff, perhaps this isn't the best time to go on strike!
shed staff? Do people really believe everything he says?

there are 200 jets on order. Who will drive those. They are additions to fleet. In the company annual report last week they still state they will get to moving 200m a year, up from around 140m.

this is a company in a huge expansion that is making nearly 1b a year profit (that is after losing 200m on lauda and spending 700m on buying its own shares!!)

this week a flight school opened up a trainee scheme with ryr.

it was always the plan to front load recruitment in advance of the max arriving, it had been said in previous announcements to the city and by PB himself.

Its incredible people cannot see the bigger picture and just believe the mouth piece...!
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:12
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Sad really.
who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families.
Blame to employer, no blame to striker
I have a young family in the UK whose holiday is during the period mentioned.
travelling with 4 and 2 year old is stressful enough and now the stress of not knowing whether you will fly or not adds further stress.
As usual, it’s the user at suffers and the providers just don’t care
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Sad really.
who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families.
Nice argument...

and I do wonder if you're sarcastic or not. I really do...

Just how many summer holidays do you think Ryanair pilots will get with their kids durin the course of a career?

Edited to add; The above may seem very unsympthetic and I don't wish you or your family any misfortune. Pure coincidence that your travels are planned for those days. But I do think you should reflect upon the cause of the strike before you cry wolf.

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Gove N.T.
Sad really.
who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families.
Blame to employer, no blame to striker
I have a young family in the UK whose holiday is during the period mentioned.
travelling with 4 and 2 year old is stressful enough and now the stress of not knowing whether you will fly or not adds further stress.
As usual, it’s the user at suffers and the providers just don’t care
I know many ryanair pilots have have not had a summer holiday for years with their family to the companies broken leave system.

No strike is called to upset the public. People dont want to strike, its normally the last resort to a complete breakdown in relations.

If you take the mentality of it will “inconvenience” someone and the right to withdraw labour is removed, then what is there to stop the slippery slope of wages and terms getting cut?

Ryanair recently contractorised an entire country overnight in Poland last year with the creation of Ryanair sun. precisely because there is very limited workers rights there, so they could get away with it, and they did.

An entire country of its staff had its holiday rights, sick pay, pension, social security payments all removed and placed on a zero hour contract, because there was nothing the staff could do about it.

Remember years ago, the change in the fashion industry where by it become frowned upon to purchase something from a sweatshop, its incredible that same mentality has not translated to air fares.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Gove N.T.
Sad really.
who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families.
Blame to employer, no blame to striker
I have a young family in the UK whose holiday is during the period mentioned.
travelling with 4 and 2 year old is stressful enough and now the stress of not knowing whether you will fly or not adds further stress.
As usual, it’s the user at suffers and the providers just don’t care
But why blame the pilots and not management for letting it come this far? If a strike is the only option to be treated a little more humane, what do you expect?

A strike is a last resort, MOL and his cronies could have been just a little more thoughtful and the situation would never have been so bad.

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 20:39
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Remember years ago, the change in the fashion industry where by it become frowned upon to purchase something from a sweatshop, its incredible that same mentality has not translated to air fares.
Until of course you compare pilot remuneration with that of the nurses, firefighters, policemen, teachers and local authority workers who will all have to pay the price of pilot "sweatshop" wages when their holiday plans are stuffed by industrial action - or should that be inaction? What do they tell their kids when they are sitting in the queues at STN, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of solidarity.

Are you seriously comparing pilot pay in the UK with the wages of a seamstress from Dhaka who works with no time limits on her shift patterns and little health and safety protection from Hazchem such as bleaching agents, azo dyes, pottasium permanganate, hearing loss from weaving machinery and sandblasting, or lax age limits for child workers?

reality check perhaps?
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Worker rights are not related to remuneration.
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Worker rights are not related to remuneration.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Alycidon
Until of course you compare pilot remuneration with that of the nurses, firefighters, policemen, teachers and local authority workers who will all have to pay the price of pilot "sweatshop" wages when their holiday plans are stuffed by industrial action - or should that be inaction? What do they tell their kids when they are sitting in the queues at STN, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of solidarity.

Are you seriously comparing pilot pay in the UK with the wages of a seamstress from Dhaka who works with no time limits on her shift patterns and little health and safety protection from Hazchem such as bleaching agents, azo dyes, pottasium permanganate, hearing loss from weaving machinery and sandblasting, or lax age limits for child workers?

reality check perhaps?
I made a few times around 1k Euros and less there..there's your reality
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Originally Posted by Alycidon
Until of course you compare pilot remuneration with that of the nurses, firefighters, policemen, teachers and local authority workers who will all have to pay the price of pilot "sweatshop" wages when their holiday plans are stuffed by industrial action - or should that be inaction? What do they tell their kids when they are sitting in the queues at STN, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of solidarity.

Are you seriously comparing pilot pay in the UK with the wages of a seamstress from Dhaka who works with no time limits on her shift patterns and little health and safety protection from Hazchem such as bleaching agents, azo dyes, pottasium permanganate, hearing loss from weaving machinery and sandblasting, or lax age limits for child workers?

reality check perhaps?

i course i am not comparing a pilots wages to the above trades, but then again does the above trade pay over 100k for their training for a zero hour contract? I would love for those guys to get more money, we all know they deserve it!

I always back the workers side, because ultimately we always work for someone, and invariably that someone wants to lower costs no matter who they are...

My comparison to the awful fashion industry one does have some merit however. Look at the ryr crew page on fb and you will see cabin crew living 3 to a bedroom in bishops stortford. Yes it is not a factory in dhaka, but it is not the standard you would expect of a 1b profit machine in western europe...but if it gives people a £10 ticket then its ok I suppose....

Its amazing the difference in attitude to a ryr strike vs a ba one!
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Its amazing the difference in attitude to a ryr strike vs a ba one!
I'd say an amazing difference in attitude in an pilot strike vs the train drivers!
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