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Disruptive Jet2 passenger getting a big bill

Old 20th Nov 2019, 14:57
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I've met the odd Crown Court judge who would love that to be true, but it isn't.

The DM appears to be implying that she is charged with "assault by beating" (s.39 CJA 1988) and "recklessly or negligently acting in a manner likely to endanger an aircraft, or any person in an aircraft" (s.240 ANO 2016).

My money would be on her pleading/being found guilty on the former charge and either found not guilty or no evidence offered on the latter.
Assault by beating = Fine + Community order.

The other will be dropped.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 17:55
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Oh well, that's all right then. No need to bother with an actual trial.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 19:16
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Originally Posted by Ex Cargo Clown View Post
Assault by beating = Fine + Community order.

The other will be dropped.
Not so.
The DJ decided that his sentencing powers for the either way offence were insufficient in any event so he ‘sent’ it to the Crown Ct.
In the Mags Ct the Defence lawyer will have already canvassed whether the Crown would take a G Plea to the lesser offence - to no avail.
Thus, she’ll have to plead to the more serious offence in the Crown Ct altho’ if she’s no ‘form’ she may yet get a ‘bender’ ie a suspended sentence, especially if she’s shown willing and already started paying the airline some compo.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 19:20
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Jet 2 are no better than other carriers. No worse. Just ineffective on all outbound flights with disruptive pax.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 19:29
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Apparently she works in Costa coffee. Gonna take a lot of lattes to be able to pay £85k
Academic, she'll have destroyed her credit rating so no credit card to buy another foreign holiday by air!
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 20:55
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oh please, enough with the holier than thou.

Apart from the genuinely mentally disturbed airlines could have stamped this out long ago if they wanted to. They are intentionally assuming the risk of an occasional diversion because in the long run they get more revenue. Perhaps it is about time other passengers started suing the airline for their inconvenience. Not to mention the employees who have to put up with this on a daily basis.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 22:03
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Originally Posted by NRU74 View Post
Not so.
The DJ decided that his sentencing powers for the either way offence were insufficient in any event so he ‘sent’ it to the Crown Ct.
In the Mags Ct the Defence lawyer will have already canvassed whether the Crown would take a G Plea to the lesser offence - to no avail.
Thus, she’ll have to plead to the more serious offence in the Crown Ct altho’ if she’s no ‘form’ she may yet get a ‘bender’ ie a suspended sentence, especially if she’s shown willing and already started paying the airline some compo.
I know of someone with "form" who went from Magis to Crown, on more serious charges, ended up with a CO + fine, which a Magi could have dished out anyway.

Plead guilty to a s47, the ANO one is difficult to prove.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 22:16
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Plead guilty to a s47, the ANO one is difficult to prove.
She’s not charged (apparently)with a S47,
I would consider that a few pax and cabin staff giving evidence if it’s denied (which I doubt) may well result in said lady getting convicted of the more serious offence.
She’ll plead !
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 22:33
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I thought being drunk or carrying a drunk person on an aircraft is an air law offence in its self from my PPL training and I believe the captain is liable to prosecution for it as well as the drunk person. Does anyone know?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 23:01
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Originally Posted by NRU74 View Post
She’ll plead !
Yes, she's due to appear at Chelmsford Crown Court on December 18, where she will plead - guilty or not guilty, as the case may be - to the charges on the indictment.

At least that's what the DM article says ...

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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 02:31
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Horizon flyer - You might want to re-read your Air Navigation Order, specifically

Drunkenness in aircraft

242.—(1) A person must not enter any aircraft when drunk, or be drunk in any aircraft.

(2) A person must not, when acting as a member of the crew of any aircraft or being carried in any aircraft for the purpose of acting as a member of the crew, be under the influence of drink or a drug to such an extent as to impair their capacity so to act.



Hope that reassures you that the Captain has not committed any offence by having a drunk passenger on the aircraft. Back to your Cessna 150.



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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 06:16
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She'll no doubt get a soft sentence in line with others who have caused disruption on aircraft. Jet2 have done thr right thing by banning her for life.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 09:28
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She did not enter plea's - She's been bailed with a no-fly caveat - She is charged with assault by beating (Common assault, Battery - not ABH it seems) and recklessly endangering an air plane and persons - If she pleads guilty which no doubt her Lawyer will advise, then she may get 2-4 years plus the costs that Jet 2 want.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 14:13
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
and recklessly endangering an air plane and persons
The ANO offence is endangering either/both, but just endangering one or more passengers is sufficient.
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An update on the court case from The Independent.

Chloe Haines: Woman who ‘tried to open plane door mid-flight’ pleads guilty to endangering aircraft and assault

There is ‘no question that she was drunk’, lawyer tells court

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A woman has pleaded guilty to assault and endangering the safety of an aircraft after a passenger plane to Turkey was forced to divert back to Stansted Airport.

Chloe Haines, 26, appeared at Chelmsford Crown Court on Monday.

She allegedly tried to open the aircraft door during a tirade aboard a Jet2 flight in June, forcing the RAF to scramble two Eurofighter Typhoon jets to intercept it. On board the flight, a cabin crew member allegedly suffered scratches as she tried to prevent Haines from opening the plane door on 22 June. The Airbus plane was on its way to Dalaman in Turkey when it was forced to return to the UK.Haines, outside Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court in November (PA)
Haines denied a charge of drunkenness on an aircraft.

Defence barrister Oliver Saxby said there was “no question that she was drunk” but that the charge of endangering the safety of an aircraft was the “more serious alternative”. Haines, of High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire, was bailed to return to the court on 24 January for sentencing.

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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 20:11
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Originally Posted by crewmeal View Post
She'll no doubt get a soft sentence in line with others who have caused disruption on aircraft. Jet2 have done thr right thing by banning her for life.
The original sensational headline read "Air rage passenger, 25, who 'stormed cockpit'.
She got nowhere near being able to storm the cockpit! How would a petite drunk 25 year old alcoholic be able to gain access to the cockpit?
Also even if unchallenged, would that same drunk, alcoholic female be capable of opening an emergency exit at FL300?

Blown out of all proportion from start to finish including scrambling fighter jets as an escort.
This young woman has a history of alcohol abuse and crimes associated with its effects.
A heavy custodial and or financial sentence will do nothing to castigate her for something she probably does not remember too much about.
A short custodial sentence suspended if she attends very regular AA meetings, miss one or two then put her inside.

More needs to be done to monitor in flight drinking!
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 20:18
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In flight drinking...

Originally Posted by Nil by mouth View Post
More needs to be done to monitor in flight drinking!
It happened 30 mins after departure...
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Nil by mouth More needs to be done to monitor in flight drinking!
Originally Posted by TheFiddler View Post
It happened 30 mins after departure...
Well, then, we need to monitor pre-pushback drinking.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 23:29
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded View Post
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Originally Posted by Nil by mouth More needs to be done to monitor in flight drinking!


Well, then, we need to monitor pre-pushback drinking.
Where did i hear that 20 years ago or more...
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Old 24th Dec 2019, 00:17
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As a passenger and even more as cabin crew there's nothing scarier than being trapped in a restricted space with a potentially violent person. Happened some years ago in a HS 748 over the Pacific and with no way out of the aluminium tube it was very stressful.
Throw the book at her.

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