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Old 17th Jul 2019, 10:45
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 10:46
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Originally Posted by FL370 Officeboy
The only thing you can be sure of is that the pilots would have received the absolute minimum training and exposure legally required to operate into this airfield
Corporate greed, leads to commercial pressure, which is one of the most prevalent killers of them all. Even more so for the inexperienced, outside the rigid structure of a major airline.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Oldshredder
If you have never tried to report and write a newspaper story you have no right to criticize.
Almost certainly the most absurd post in this thread.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 12:03
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It's been a couple of years since I operated into JSI, but my recollection is that the PAPI's are unusable in sunlight.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 12:54
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Originally Posted by ZeBedie
It's been a couple of years since I operated into JSI, but my recollection is that the PAPI's are unusable in sunlight.
No they’re not, they’re perfectly visible.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 14:24
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Originally Posted by L337
So many armchair pilots. So many opinions.

And then some of us who actually fly jets and have flown into JSI. I thank my lucky stars I don’t do package flights to Greek airports in the middle of the night anymore. It’s hard work with often disruptive passengers.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 08:04
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It is locator approach both side with minimum of 1600ft and around 5nm from threshold, so 3° flight path will get you there. R
is short but not really for a Emb 190 (I used to fly to much less, 1600m is not issue for the Emb 190)
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 16:57
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Probably the PF was seeing 4 green lights on the papi, the red lights reflecting in the grass. There is absolutely no need to land at Skiathos without being on the papi. Anyway all flat approaches used more runway than the stable one. This particular chap should revise his short runway landing technique, it is appalling.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 17:54
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Originally Posted by quickturnaround
Probably the PF was seeing 4 green lights on the papi, the red lights reflecting in the grass. There is absolutely no need to land at Skiathos without being on the papi. Anyway all flat approaches used more runway than the stable one. This particular chap should revise his short runway landing technique, it is appalling.
How do you know it was a chap??
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 18:00
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Originally Posted by cessnapete
How do you know it was a chap??
Cue thread diversion and increase in popcorn sales.

Oh, please
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 20:24
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Probably the PF was seeing 4 green lights on the papi,
Err?? I know I've been retired a long time, but green lights on the PAPI?
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Herod
Err?? I know I've been retired a long time, but green lights on the PAPI?
If you get low enough so the light shines through the grass.......

On another tangent I seem to remember when there was that very low 747 approach at St Maarten by KLM the PAPI's were said to be giving a lower than expected slope. How accurate are Greek PAPI's?
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 21:50
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Originally Posted by Herod
Err?? I know I've been retired a long time, but green lights on the PAPI?

come on, green means you are high enough, red means you re too low....
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Pink can appear if you get right on the angle where red and white transition.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 09:32
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Question for any of you guys that have flown the JSI Route, I seem to recall someone once telling me only the Captain can land there,which I found odd. Is there any truth in that ?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 16:36
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Originally Posted by alland2012
Question for any of you guys that have flown the JSI Route, I seem to recall someone once telling me only the Captain can land there,which I found odd. Is there any truth in that ?

The list of runways that are “ captain only “, is a company specific requirement. Places like Innsbruck, functual would for the Bill. Can’t remember if JSI was for us.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I'd recommend searching for JSI (Skiathos), rather than SKG, unless you are particularly interested in what happens at Thessaloniki.
SKG occasionally offers a little gem too!

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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:43
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Originally Posted by alland2012
Question for any of you guys that have flown the JSI Route, I seem to recall someone once telling me only the Captain can land there,which I found odd. Is there any truth in that ?
For most, if not all, airlines, it’s not only “captains only”, it’s captains that have been specifically trained to land (and take off) here, including an airport visit with a trainer.

So no, it’s not somebody who’s used to flying ILS to ILS and can’t handle a NPA as somebody suggested earlier.

The upslope on the runway does give the impression of being high on 01, combined with the short runway can probably contribute to being low on final approach. I don’t think any pilot in 2019 is going to intentionally fly low into a place where they know their actions are being filmed and will be on social media before they’ve set the parking brake. If there was any form of “showboating” involved, it would almost certainly been driven by the desire to make the intersection turn-off, rather than to intentionally fly low on the approach.

Armchair pilots continue...
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
If there was any form of “showboating” involved, it would almost certainly been driven by the desire to make the intersection turn-off, rather than to intentionally fly low on the approach.
A quick look at instances of that flight from LCY landing at JSI on FR24 since the service resumed this summer would suggest that around half of arrivals (including the flight in question) make the A3 exit to the apron, with the other 50% or so rolling to the end to turn and backtrack.

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Old 19th Jul 2019, 18:43
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
A quick look at instances of that flight from LCY landing at JSI on FR24 since the service resumed this summer would suggest that around half of arrivals (including the flight in question) make the A3 exit to the apron, with the other 50% or so rolling to the end to turn and backtrack.
Risking the craft and all on board to make a turn-off doesn’t seem like a sensible strategy to me, especially as a relatively small aircraft like this can presumably turn around at any point along the runway once stopped.

With almost 50% of the airline’s entire movements landing at LCY, I am quite surprised this airline had one of its aircraft end up in this position. It is not as if they are lacking in experience of short-field ops!
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