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Old 15th Jul 2019, 23:40
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Rebranding the aircraft is not going to make it airworthy.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 23:44
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The pitot cover and AoA vane look like a question mark, as in
I guess one would question the AoA vane measurement while sitting there.... shouldnt it be pointing straight up?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 02:50
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Don't know anything about past or current painting decisions, but 737-8200 as far as I know is the planned formal type certificate model designation for the 200 passenger variant of a -8 fuselage length Max. It's not just a marketing designation. It had a separate certification program. I believe it's not on the TC data sheet because it's not approved yet. Those pictures appear to be at the factory.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt
ATC Watcher.
Was about to post along this exact same line.
Some of the flying public might feel they are tricked into climbing aboard a disguised MAX.
Exactly. Which is my primary reason for the original post. Trickery is essentially what this is. Can’t stand behind the brand so stand the brand behind another name.

I’m fully aware of the designator / model number but airlines all over the place have daubed MAX on the sides of their aircraft, including Ryanair as evidenced by the photo. And now, the back pedal to an innocuous name.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 10:35
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Looks like RYR will have plenty of time to do their ‘rebranding’.

Ryanair to cut flights after 737 Max delays https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49000796
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 12:05
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Rebrand as the 737-121.5 ?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Speed of Sound
Looks like RYR will have plenty of time to do their ‘rebranding’.

Ryanair to cut flights after 737 Max delays https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49000796
is he really going to be short of airframes or trying to put a bit of pressure on Boeing and the airworthiness authorities ?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 13:00
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur

is he really going to be short of airframes or trying to put a bit of pressure on Boeing and the airworthiness authorities ?
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Yes

But even more he is playing a classic card that a restructure that would be necessary ANYWAY is actually someone else's fault

"We are starting a series of discussions with our airports to determine which of Ryanair's underperforming or loss making bases should suffer these short term cuts and/or closures from November 2019,"

= we need to cut out some facilities and people because they are losing us money
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Dave Therhino
Don't know anything about past or current painting decisions, but 737-8200 as far as I know is the planned formal type certificate model designation for the 200 passenger variant of a -8 fuselage length Max. It's not just a marketing designation.
The 197-seat variant for Ryanair, etc, will share the same 737-8 designation on the TC, just as there's only a single entry for the -900ER with the passenger capacity varying depending on whether the mid-cabin E/E is deactivated or activated as a Type I/Type II exit.

The (MAX) 8200 designation will only feature in a marketing context.

FlightGlobal: 'New' name for Ryanair 737 Max is not actually new
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 16:14
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Are they also going to change the Aircraft Data Plate to cover it up completely?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 17:06
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How about 737-7700?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 17:08
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Are they also going to change the Aircraft Data Plate to cover it up completely?
You haven't been paying attention. The certificated designation makes no mention of "Max".


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Old 16th Jul 2019, 17:17
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but airlines all over the place have daubed MAX on the sides of their aircraft
Agreed that a number have but I happened to notice just now that, for instance, Southwest Airlines (USA) didn't.
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So
"We know that you are concerned that there have been two terrible accidents in which everyone died
But we have fixed the problems - you don't need to know the detail which will just confuse you
So we have obscured which aircraft might be affected"

The sweaty, smelly, cheap public will have no option but to use the aircraft because they WILL be on routes they want at prices they desire.

BUT, if ANYTHING happens,even unrelated to MCAS you betcha it will be reported as a MAX problem with (frankly justified) iimplications of a cover up
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 19:43
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So
"We know that you are concerned that there have been two terrible accidents in which everyone died
But we have fixed the problems - you don't need to know the detail which will just confuse you
So we have obscured which aircraft might be affected"

The sweaty, smelly, cheap public will have no option but to use the aircraft because they WILL be on routes they want at prices they desire.

BUT, if ANYTHING happens,even unrelated to MCAS you betcha it will be reported as a MAX problem with (frankly justified) iimplications of a cover up
What a presumptuous, indeed borderline rude, statement - plenty of people who clearly cannot be so described fly with Ryanair.....

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Old 16th Jul 2019, 20:28
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Personally, as SLF, I don't feel offended. I don't think he meant it literally, but more in the sense of "the unwashed masses":

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unwashed_masses

And probably it reflects more what the people deciding to hide the MAX branding would think, not him.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 22:10
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Originally Posted by MemberBerry
Personally, as SLF, I don't feel offended. I don't think he meant it literally, but more in the sense of "the unwashed masses":

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unwashed_masses

And probably it reflects more what the people deciding to hide the MAX branding would think, not him.
Thank you for your very considerate interpretation but, if that's what Maninthebar genuinely meant, he really should have found a better way of expressing both thoughts..

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Old 17th Jul 2019, 00:25
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737-8 is the model number for cert...

There will likely be an designation to this, if nothing else, to tell the difference between the 737-8 variant allowed to fly, and the current variant. (hence the 737-8200 noticed.
The current cert does not have the 200 variable..

By the time the aircraft and the software configurations allow this ac to fly again...who knows what it will look like.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 01:33
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What B737-8 variant is allowed to fly?
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 04:23
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Originally Posted by Union Jack
What a presumptuous, indeed borderline rude, statement - plenty of people who clearly cannot be so described fly with Ryanair.....

Jack
I was, of course, referring to myself
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