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Old 12th Jul 2019, 14:40
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Originally Posted by Sholayo View Post
Hmmm, while I am one of those keeping my seat belts on, I would not criticize anyone unbuckling rith after 'Fasten seat belts' light is off.
After all - this is clear and obvious message that we do not have to keep our seat belts - correct?
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Most announcements are of the nature "The seat-belt sign is now off to allow you to move about the cabin, however we recommend .....etc."
In which case no, it is not a clear and obvious message that we do not need to keep our seat belts fastened.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 14:51
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put the radar on
Not on all the time?
Not included in the scan?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 14:59
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Most announcements are of the nature "The seat-belt sign is now off to allow you to move about the cabin, however we recommend .....etc."
In which case no, it is not a clear and obvious message that we do not need to keep our seat belts fastened.
The flip side of this is many flights where the seatbelt sign is left on for most of the flight, and not just on 1.5 hour hops one city over.
This leads to the fasten seatbelt sign being treated like a 'serving suggestion' with people feeling free to use the restrooms etc with no intervention by the flight attendants.

Seems that a better idea would be a "always fasten seatbelts" policy with the sign reserved and enforced as stay in your seats.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 15:48
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Originally Posted by MurphyWasRight View Post
Seems that a better idea would be a "always fasten seatbelts" policy with the sign reserved and enforced as stay in your seats.
There is an interesting difference in safety policy between air and road traffic here. Where I live, traveling any larger distance by a bus that is not just local and uses a highway, the official policy is to punish a passenger who does not engage the seatbelt with a fine of just around 100. I never saw it enforced, and i doubt that it is widely known. And yet it is the actual rule. But imagine how unthinkable this would be in a passenger aircraft, regardless of how much. and possibly even more, sense it would make. The rules on wearing a seatbelt in an ordinary car are of course widely observed and enforced btw, with an important difference being that by disobedience you would harm yourself in an incident, rarely others.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 15:48
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We are too politically correct in trying to suppress the risks of injury during an unexpected event. Passengers should be told: "You are riding in a plane. It could unexpectedly and suddenly pull you downward with a force exceeding your body weight, or, in the event of an emergency landing, decelerate with a force exceeding 20 times your body weight - we'd like you to wear your seatbelt to hold you in." for your sake, and the safety of people around you.

Two years ago, I ripped a seatbelt right out of a plane, I have experience with being an occupant in a landing gone wrong.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 17:21
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Seems some airlines are more proactive in this regard than others. I fly Lufthansa long-haul on a regular basis and since about a year (two?) ago, part of the safety announcements is something along the lines 'you must keep your seatbelt fastened whenever you are in your seat'. Probably not the exact wording, but it's certainly worded in a pretty strong, unambiguous way.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 23:52
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Here’s an idea. Install sensors in the seat and the belt buckles. Tell the people, when they buy their ticket that they would be fined if the belt is not on, when they are seated. Allow them several (dependent on the length of the trip) "excursions" to the loo or to get stuff from the overhead. If they exceed the allowance bill their credit card, after the trip.

Yeah, I know, I am dreaming.
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