VistaJet (VJT868) Causing Chaos in SEA!
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VistaJet (VJT868) Causing Chaos in SEA!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Ysab...ature=youtu.be
These dangerous morons should never be allowed within 50’ of an aircraft!
These dangerous morons should never be allowed within 50’ of an aircraft!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Ysab...ature=youtu.be
These dangerous morons should never be allowed within 50’ of an aircraft!
These dangerous morons should never be allowed within 50’ of an aircraft!
So he launches for the circuit VFR, creates a traffic issue, then tries to change details for an intercontinental flight to Athens?
"Gutsy move Mav."
"Gutsy move Mav."
Last edited by Shot Nancy; 10th Jul 2019 at 00:03.
I call BS until I hear the initial CD call.
Way too many times I’ve been foisted off at a peripheral field when the local weather + 1-2 hrs flight was VFR and I had places to go but the overall picture was poor. In a pressurized piston or King Air, no biggie. Suspect with the interposed Atlantic Ocean, much the same.
Chap sounded like he was trying to make everyones lives easier.
Way too many times I’ve been foisted off at a peripheral field when the local weather + 1-2 hrs flight was VFR and I had places to go but the overall picture was poor. In a pressurized piston or King Air, no biggie. Suspect with the interposed Atlantic Ocean, much the same.
Chap sounded like he was trying to make everyones lives easier.
https://de.flightaware.com/live/flig...741Z/KBFI/LGAV
Looks like at least two airprox events during this chaos.
Nothing yet in NTSB's sites or who is in charge of airprox investigations in the US? FAA only?
Looks like at least two airprox events during this chaos.
Nothing yet in NTSB's sites or who is in charge of airprox investigations in the US? FAA only?
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I don't have the time to listen to the ground/clearance delivery feeds in the hour or so before departure myself, but as one user commented on the Youtube video:
Sounds plausible.
The facts are available by listening to the feed from Ground. An IFR clearance to Athens was given and flight plan filed. Vistajet 868 asked to depart via the opposite runway due to the aircraft being too heavy for the active runway (obstacles on departure flight path). Ground agreed this could be done only as a VFR departure. When transferred to the Tower frequency the ground controlled did not pass on the details to them correctly. Consequently, the Tower thought they intended to reland. The aircraft was then asked to manoeuvre in an area too small for it due to it’s heavy weight and minimum speed.
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puts a slightly different spin on it, but I’d still be seeking more clarification before getting Airborn , I’d be defcon 4 when they say “ make it a four Mile right base “,
I find generally even experienced pilots are backwards in coming forwards, when they need to be a little more assertive to work out what’s going to happen .
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puts a slightly different spin on it, but I’d still be seeking more clarification before getting Airborn , I’d be defcon 4 when they say “ make it a four Mile right base “,
I find generally even experienced pilots are backwards in coming forwards, when they need to be a little more assertive to work out what’s going to happen .
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Ysab...ature=youtu.be
These dangerous morons should never be allowed within 50’ of an aircraft!
These dangerous morons should never be allowed within 50’ of an aircraft!
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Perhaps they were, the issue especially in the US is that controllers seem to be quite aggressive. Perhaps he felt he'd go along with what the controller was saying for the time being, cos no doubt if he'd turned around and said at that point that he needs no right base, the controller would either have dropped all his marbles and gone bezerk, or simple said 'i know and don't need you to remind me!'. You never quite know if you are on the same wavelength and questions appear to be unwelcome. This behavior is displayed in many videos of US ATC
thats the thing - these ATC weren’t aggressive compared with some quarters of the US. You ever listened to JFK.” Turn your strobes off !” They once shouted at me in NY. I’d just about got off the runway. The responsive was about as aggressive as I can be on that medium.
You have to be equally assertive. I’ve been told off by US ATC for various things I did t do, and I’ll argue the point. If it gets really arsey, I’ll ask for a supervisor .
puts a slightly different spin on it, but I’d still be seeking more clarification before getting Airborn , I’d be defcon 4 when they say “ make it a four Mile right base “,
I find generally even experienced pilots are backwards in coming forwards, when they need to be a little more assertive to work out what’s going to happen .
I find generally even experienced pilots are backwards in coming forwards, when they need to be a little more assertive to work out what’s going to happen .
Seems like all parties involved could have done better here, as is usually the case.
Perhaps they were, the issue especially in the US is that controllers seem to be quite aggressive. Perhaps he felt he'd go along with what the controller was saying for the time being, cos no doubt if he'd turned around and said at that point that he needs no right base, the controller would either have dropped all his marbles and gone bezerk, or simple said 'i know and don't need you to remind me!'. You never quite know if you are on the same wavelength and questions appear to be unwelcome. This behavior is displayed in many videos of US ATC
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The IFR pick-up aside, what we do know is they ballsed up the VFR pattern. Too close and too fast.
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http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kb...2019-1800Z.mp3
The VFR departure request from 32L followed by an IFR pickup is agreed by the ground controller at 12:10 onwards. To join the NRVNA1 Sid - meaning a right pattern downwind would be expected. The base turn, not expected unless being vectored North to join the transition after the Sid directly ALPSE (almost due North).
Renton and Seattle Tacoma Airspace mean that is is not possible to fly a standard square pattern at KBFI without entering their airspace. Very heavy swept wing jets don’t fly tight circuits.
The VFR departure request from 32L followed by an IFR pickup is agreed by the ground controller at 12:10 onwards. To join the NRVNA1 Sid - meaning a right pattern downwind would be expected. The base turn, not expected unless being vectored North to join the transition after the Sid directly ALPSE (almost due North).
Renton and Seattle Tacoma Airspace mean that is is not possible to fly a standard square pattern at KBFI without entering their airspace. Very heavy swept wing jets don’t fly tight circuits.
Last edited by contour flyer; 10th Jul 2019 at 14:04.