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Delta Airlines Flight DL-1425 ATL-BWI, MD-88, diverted to RDU due to engine failure

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Old 10th Jul 2019, 04:15
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This seems an appropriate spot for the ubiquitous-yet-brilliant “The front fell off” video clip...
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Can anyone tell me why the area behind the spinner, now revealed, is glowing orange hot?

Bearing break up leading to detachment of the spinner?
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This section contains an oil pump/gears so woill be quite warm
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 13:13
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Can anyone tell me why the area behind the spinner, now revealed, is glowing orange hot?

Bearing break up leading to detachment of the spinner?
other way around
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Well, at that point, the flight crew would have reduced to idle, wouldn't they? So not much risk of an uncontained failure?
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Based on my memory, the aircrew went to idle on that engine a couple minutes before the "bang". I was checking my watch thinking they had pushed their speed since we were a little late getting out of Atlanta, going to my phone to see estimated flight time (no Flight Tracker on the MD88), and had started initial decent. When the bang happened, I kind of forgot all that. So, wait for the report, but my guess is they got a warning, pulled to idle, were running the checklist for the indication when it happened. The good news is that all the parts should be available for P&W to do their teardown and get to root cause.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 13:55
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This seems an appropriate spot for the ubiquitous-yet-brilliant “The front fell off” video clip...
Brilliant! Vale John Clarke.

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Brilliant! Vale John Clarke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
Thanks for that !
Never seen that before, fantastic !
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
If you are around to film it, it's perfectly safe (like thunder and lightning)
This is a good point. Although I wouldn't expect the average SLF to understand the risks, the engine appears to be windmilling at this point. The initial incident which occurred while under power is over and additional uncontainment will probably be low energy. Also, if I'm far enough forward of the cowling to look/photograph inside the engine, that's probably far enough away to be missed by flying bits.

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Old 10th Jul 2019, 17:30
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Originally Posted by First IFE
Based on my memory, the aircrew went to idle on that engine a couple minutes before the "bang". I was checking my watch thinking they had pushed their speed since we were a little late getting out of Atlanta, going to my phone to see estimated flight time (no Flight Tracker on the MD88), and had started initial decent. When the bang happened, I kind of forgot all that. So, wait for the report, but my guess is they got a warning, pulled to idle, were running the checklist for the indication when it happened. The good news is that all the parts should be available for P&W to do their teardown and get to root cause.
Did you see a blue streak down the left side of the aircraft after you got off
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 17:38
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Did you see a blue streak down the left side of the aircraft after you got off
Ah, didn't really look. Not something I would have thought to look for since this all happened at cruise altitude. Are you implying a plane above dropped "blue ice" and we just miraculously sucked it in? That's pretty remote...
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 20:40
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Ah, didn't really look. Not something I would have thought to look for since this all happened at cruise altitude. Are you implying a plane above dropped "blue ice" and we just miraculously sucked it in? That's pretty remote...
No, there have been documented cases of blue ice (the result of a leaky lav dump valve) releasing and being ingested into the engine (on the same aircraft). More of a risk with aft mounted engines than with wing mounted engines, although there were a few incidents with 737 Jurassics (-100/200).
There was a rather famous event on a 727 - I'm going to say around 1970 but I could be off a few years. Anyway, blue ice ingestion cause the engine to seize - by design the engine mount failed (the loads when an engine rotor seizes at speed are tremendous, so the mount was designed to fail to prevent more serious airframe damage) and they dropped the engine into a field 30,000 ft. below.
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...a few incidents with 737 Jurassics (-100/200).
I think u meant 727

the only 737s involved were -300 (still extremely rare for wing engines)

The problem was mostly corrected when they changed out the type of dump valve to something that wouldn't clog as easily with nappies and coathangers. We couldn't mandate the valve but chose instead to mandate the aircraft servicing with the old valve to something that was difficult to perform (of course I don't know what happened about this one
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 23:07
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
Did you see a blue streak down the left side of the aircraft after you got off
I have to admit my inner 13 year old mind read that as "brown streak", which would have more to do with the captains reaction
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 23:23
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
I think u meant 727

the only 737s involved were -300 (still extremely rare for wing engines)
Oops, yes, I stand corrected - it was the 737-300, (e.g. "Classics", not "Jurassic"). I did some work on one not long after it had experienced a blue ice event (unrelated throttle cable issues) and experienced a memory fart
The flow changes around the wing when they put the CFM56-3 engines on the 737 had some unexpected side effects.
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Originally Posted by capngrog
Most passengers would not be aware of the danger associated with the potential for the uncontained failure of a jet engine; however, the crew certainly should be. Although there may not be open seats available, I would think that the cabin crew could relocate passengers seated near the failing engine until that engine could be shut down. An uncontained failure of a fuselage pylon-mounted engine would probably throw shrapnel into the cabin area.

It has happened before.

An uncontained engine failure occurred at Pensacola Regional Airport (PNS) on July 06, 1996 during the takeoff run of Delta Airlines Flight 1288. Two passengers (a mother and her son) were killed when the compressor hub of the No.1 engine (P&W JT8D) failed, hurling debris (shrapnel) into the cabin. The failure occurred early in the takeoff roll, and the aircraft was safely stopped on the runway. There was no ensuing fire.

Here's a link to the NTSB report: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/AAR9801.pdf

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Exactly this ^^^
its not going to be my body that plugs the hole.

I must look like a complete fool to other passengers when I travel commercially:
  • Saniwipe my seat
  • Wear my seat belt
  • pay attention to the FA briefing
  • do not sit next to an engine
Had a fellow pax ask me if I was scared of flying.
i said no I’m a pilot......and I’m rated on this type.

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Old 11th Jul 2019, 00:03
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..........Had a fellow pax ask me if I was scared of flying.
i said no I’m a pilot......and I’m rated on this type.
Yea, you get to sit up front where you are protected from engine missiles by regulation ... course we need you to get us back on the ground
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 00:38
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At this point, just enjoying the posts. Having a glass of wine and prepping to get back on another MD88...which is safer than driving to work...
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 01:01
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
Yea, you get to sit up front where you are protected from engine missiles by regulation ... course we need you to get us back on the ground
Other story.
Travelling commercially in uniform, feels asleep mouth open snore kinda thing.
Woke up, pax next to me politely let me know that they’d gone through turbulence and everybody was looking at the “pilot asleep” and if I didn’t wake up it was probably ok.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Check Airman
Unfortunately, nowadays the first thing people do when something unusual happens is take out their phones.
And everyone carries a camera-phone, yet still no decent photos of little green men or the Loch Ness monster!
Jokes aside, at least there's a good chance of finding some sort of video evidence following just about any interesting event nowdays.
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