Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Electra wheels up in Canada

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Electra wheels up in Canada

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 11:23
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,763
Received 2,748 Likes on 1,171 Posts
Electra wheels up in Canada

It happened on the 22nd.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmont...t3a2tMT7jKvIQ0
NutLoose is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 11:38
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: brisbane,qld,australia
Posts: 276
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
That's no way to treat an old lady. Good luck getting replacement props Sadly it will probably be written off.
A beautiful aircraft to fly.

Emeritus

emeritus is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 12:41
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: 50+ north
Posts: 1,251
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by emeritus
That's no way to treat an old lady. Good luck getting replacement props Sadly it will probably be written off.
A beautiful aircraft to fly.

Emeritus
Didn't Buffalo rebuild their Electra after a simlar incident?
TCAS FAN is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 13:42
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Surrey, UK ;
Age: 71
Posts: 1,153
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
They did .. took a couple of sets of blades, an engine and some flap bits - took about 3 months.
Dave Gittins is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 14:44
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 201
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I remember Channel Express had a similar incident in SNN years ago.
The aircraft was written off.
Webby737 is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:29
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Dorset UK
Age: 70
Posts: 1,895
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 12 Posts
Webby737.
Just to correct your post.
The Electra in Shannon (N285F) was operated by Renown Aviation of Miami and was on wet lease to Channel Express. It did have Channel Express on the side but was crewed by Americans.
The crew forgot to lower the landing gear and realised in the flare. They went around but three props hit the runway causing #3 engine to separate, #4 eng to fail completely and #2 to produce reduced power due to bent blades and damaged controls. They made it round the circuit and landed with the gear down. The aircraft was beyond economic repair and was broken up.
dixi188 is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:19
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,812
Received 199 Likes on 92 Posts
Originally Posted by dixi188
Webby737.
Just to correct your post.
The Electra in Shannon (N285F) was operated by Renown Aviation of Miami and was on wet lease to Channel Express. It did have Channel Express on the side but was crewed by Americans.
The crew forgot to lower the landing gear and realised in the flare. They went around but three props hit the runway causing #3 engine to separate, #4 eng to fail completely and #2 to produce reduced power due to bent blades and damaged controls. They made it round the circuit and landed with the gear down. The aircraft was beyond economic repair and was broken up.
AAIU Report

DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2019, 21:48
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Canadian Shield
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Pretty sure that pilot, Prefkar, was the guy who featured in Ice Pilots with Buffalo Airways 4 or 5 years ago. I forget, but I don't think things worked out with Buffalo Joe...

Still, any landing you can walk away from!
er340790 is offline  
Old 3rd Jul 2019, 13:25
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 201
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by dixi188
Webby737.
Just to correct your post.
The Electra in Shannon (N285F) was operated by Renown Aviation of Miami and was on wet lease to Channel Express. It did have Channel Express on the side but was crewed by Americans.
The crew forgot to lower the landing gear and realised in the flare. They went around but three props hit the runway causing #3 engine to separate, #4 eng to fail completely and #2 to produce reduced power due to bent blades and damaged controls. They made it round the circuit and landed with the gear down. The aircraft was beyond economic repair and was broken up.
Thanks Dixi and Dave,

I wasn't aware the aircraft was wet leased.
The rest was just a vague memory it was quite a few years ago, I remember watching the aircraft being broken up.
Webby737 is offline  
Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:59
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
Age: 75
Posts: 4,379
Received 24 Likes on 14 Posts
Video courtesy of YouTube

John Eacott is offline  
Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:25
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: US
Posts: 507
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Reading about the accident - pretty amazing that they made it back around with that much damage and in IMC.
As to why execute a go round when you have already made contact, that is another question. I guess part of it is just a startle reflex. Logically it makes no sense to go round when you have hit the ground and damaged the plane. Reminds me of the AC DC-8 that bounced very hard at Toronto and went around. That did not end well. CVR transcript gave me chills.
20driver
20driver is offline  
Old 6th Jul 2019, 16:31
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: The woods
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Go around or try to un bounce?

Well then we had the Superjet at Moscow which tried to land from a bounce - with disastrous result.

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t, so - If it doesn’t look good go around before the bounce
bill fly is offline  
Old 6th Jul 2019, 21:46
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: my easychair
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 20driver
Reading about the accident - pretty amazing that they made it back around with that much damage and in IMC.
As to why execute a go round when you have already made contact, that is another question. I guess part of it is just a startle reflex. Logically it makes no sense to go round when you have hit the ground and damaged the plane. Reminds me of the AC DC-8 that bounced very hard at Toronto and went around. That did not end well. CVR transcript gave me chills.
20driver
They had no idea of the damage untherwise I am sure they would have hit the binders. In their defence they had about 2 or 3 seconds to think about it. We of course had a couple of days, big difference.
slack is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2019, 15:43
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Texas, like a whole other country
Posts: 444
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by 20driver
Reminds me of the AC DC-8 that bounced very hard at Toronto and went around. That did not end well. CVR transcript gave me chills.
20driver
That is indeed a grim incident to study. One moment all is normal and going well, in just a few seconds everything goes to hell.

Carbon Bootprint is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2019, 16:26
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: North America
Age: 79
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Does anyone know the cause of the Buffalo Electra wheels up landing? I watched the program and was interested as the Electra was the first modern transport aircraft I worked on at the beginning of my aviation career.
CV880 is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2019, 17:21
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Eastbourne
Age: 85
Posts: 84
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Old Lady

Strangely enough there IS a connection back to Channel Express. This aircraft was the last Electra flying with Channel (as G-CEXS) when they morphed into Jet2. My last flight before retirement was to deliver her to Red Deer, Calgary when Channel sold her to Air Spray. Always lovely to fly; I had many happy hours with her. I suspect this is now the end of a gracious old lady. What an undignified position to end up in!

Last edited by Four Turbo; 8th Jul 2019 at 11:34. Reason: Sense
Four Turbo is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2019, 18:34
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Alberta
Posts: 281
Received 17 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by CV880
Does anyone know the cause of the Buffalo Electra wheels up landing? I watched the program and was interested as the Electra was the first modern transport aircraft I worked on at the beginning of my aviation career.
CV880. If my memory is still solid a mechanic left a hammer in the land gear area and it jammed the gear when they retracted it after takeoff.

BK
Bksmithca is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2019, 20:59
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 608
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Bksmithca
CV880. If my memory is still solid a mechanic left a hammer in the land gear area and it jammed the gear when they retracted it after takeoff.

BK
I think that was a C46 after an engine change. The Electra gear got fouled in the doors. As soon as they pulled the door off, it fell by gravity.

Edited, found the hammer incident and the Electra one: -

On 9 November 2012, BFL509, a Curtiss C-46A (C-GTXW), landed at Yellowknife Airport and when it rolled to the runway 16/34 intersection, the left main landing gear collapsed. The aircraft then came to rest on the left wing and suffered substantial damage. The aircraft was repaired and returned to service. The cause of the accident was that a hammer, lodged between the inboard drag strut and sliding member, caused the landing gear to collapse.

On 5 March 2012, BFL1105, a Lockheed L-188A Electra (C-FBAQ), landed at the Yellowknife Airport, but was unable to extend the right main landing gear. The aircraft landed on the left and nose gear and caused substantial damage to the number three and four propellers and wing. The five occupants on board were uninjured
Doctor Cruces is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.