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How to squeeze in more pax, make them stand

Old 24th Jun 2019, 13:22
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How to squeeze in more pax, make them stand

Ohh lovely, one can see these going down a treat at a certain Irish airline....

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/offbeat/new-stand-up-plane-seat-labelled-torture-chamber/ar-AADiKNk




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1st of April is over....
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I’ve been Rouged! 😤

Having had the appalling misfortune to have to fly Air Canada Rouge (A319) last week, I just hope a DVT class action lawsuit sues these loco nightmares into the oblivion where they belong...

The pitch was stated to be 29”. Like hell it was! Thank God the flight was only 1h 45m. As it was, I was unable to walk properly for half an hour after deplaning.

What’s the betting that we see such inhumane conditions on the new A321XLRs before too long???
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If you want to travel the world for the price of a city bus ticket ... Expect to travel with same level of comfort ...
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The pitch was stated to be 29”. Like hell it was!
The Rouge website does indeed state that it's 29 inches. If you can show that it wasn't, complain to the airline.
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Even at 29 inches it's bloody tight! My "local" loco is Eurowings. They at least give you 30-32 inches. I have said many times before (and generally get shot down) that if it was internationally legislated that economy cannot be less than 32" it would raise fares a little yes, but no airline would be able to cram more seats in their aircraft as a means of increasing revenue. Wishful thinking? You bet! I just hope Eurowings don't join the 29 Club!
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Similar has been touted before. Among other considerations, what is the effect on the body of a massive deceleration, either longitudinal or vertical?
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 18:32
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Easy.

Brief MOL about the advantages of the gastric band operation and, I calculate, he could get 350 pax on an Airbus 319.
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+300 in the hold, 2 in the wheel wells and 1 in the stab. "Good morning Sir, you're sitting in the stabiliser seat, just need to check you're happy and physically capable of stopping the jackscrew in the event of MCAS activation"
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:12
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Ohh lovely, one can see these going down a treat at a certain Irish airline....


To be honest, when I first saw the thread title, my first thought that this was yet another O’Leary PR stunt like the £1 to use the toilet story. ��
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:49
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I first saw this touted as a Ryanair proposal about five years ago. Plausible, but may have been fake news.

The concept might well allow increased passenger loading but, I rather suspect, would be eliminating about 50% of your potential market: tall people, short people, old people, children, religious ladies, those with piles, etc, etc.
About as practical as some of the Air NZ "concept" seating / stacking arrangements that have cropped up over the last few years.

I'll believe it when I see exercise machines and bars installed (for more than a few weeks) on any commercial aircraft.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:52
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Originally Posted by PerPurumTonantes
+300 in the hold, 2 in the wheel wells and 1 in the stab. "Good morning Sir, you're sitting in the stabiliser seat, just need to check you're happy and physically capable of stopping the jackscrew in the event of MCAS activation"
Great, thanks !
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Originally Posted by er340790
Having had the appalling misfortune to have to fly Air Canada Rouge (A319) last week, I just hope a DVT class action lawsuit sues these loco nightmares into the oblivion where they belong...

The pitch was stated to be 29”. Like hell it was! Thank God the flight was only 1h 45m. As it was, I was unable to walk properly for half an hour after deplaning.

What’s the betting that we see such inhumane conditions on the new A321XLRs before too long???
I suspect the opposite. Fewer passengers in the XLR due to the fuel load.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 08:29
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Slow news day at Le Bourget?
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 09:30
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Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
Even at 29 inches it's bloody tight! My "local" loco is Eurowings. They at least give you 30-32 inches. I have said many times before (and generally get shot down) that if it was internationally legislated that economy cannot be less than 32" it would raise fares a little yes, but no airline would be able to cram more seats in their aircraft as a means of increasing revenue. Wishful thinking? You bet! I just hope Eurowings don't join the 29 Club!
Sorry to disappoint you but it is physically impossible to get 32” across the board on 180Y seats A320. I have seen all kind of LOPAs for this aircraft and 32” on some of them could be first 3 rows, going down to 29” after and even to 28” after the overwing exits.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 10:48
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Sorry CargoOne, but I don't understand your point. Obviously, my point is that it would no longer be an 180Y seat A320.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 18:22
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In the bad old days, slave ships packed in as many people as possible.
They did this not by having them stand - but by having them lie down, which enabled the decks to be closer together.
While not advocating anything as drastic, it occurs to me that by adapting the Japanese pod hotel method, something close to business comfort could be attained for all pax on long range - and a second deck added without excessive height requirement.
Lots of reasons against - boarding, evacuation, weight and pax acceptance included but it might be worth a designer’s pencil on a slow day...
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Priceless

Even the cargo holds can be used as double-deck.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
Sorry CargoOne, but I don't understand your point. Obviously, my point is that it would no longer be an 180Y seat A320.
You said YOUR Eurowings gives you at least 30-32" and this is not correct. Most if not all Eurowings A320s are 180Y and most common seat pitch with them is 29", except a couple of front rows. And lots of 28" in the rear part. In order to start talking about 30" min across the board without Neo Flex config, you have do drop the capacity down to 168Y which was LH config before the cabin enhancement round a few years ago. So your home loco is in "29 club" since long ago, and also a member of "28 club".
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 22:36
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That's interesting. Contradicts Seat Guru (who state that the minimum is 30") and my personal experiences with them (A320/A319). I have sat front (first 3 rows), middle (next 9 rows) and at the rear with them. If the rear rows are 28" and I didn't experience any discomfort, then I must have shrunk in the past years!
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