Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

The Mail & Duty Hours

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

The Mail & Duty Hours

Old 22nd Jun 2019, 11:41
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 929
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The Mail & Duty Hours

Surprised no one has commented on the Daily Mails article in yesterdayís edition re BA strike.
Again telling the public that airline pilots only do 171/2 hours a week max. (900 hrs per year) The article even said that this was from the time crews reported for duty.
I hope BALPA get a correction printed & an apology for lousy research.
For those not professional pilots on this site. 900 hrs per annum is from the time the aircraft pushes back till it stops on chocks after each sector. (Easy explanation).
This does not include pre flight & post flight duties nor turn around times when you are still on duty getting the aircraft prepared for the next sector.
I have been retired for a couple of years, but when working I was usually rostered for a 55 hr week. This often increased to 65 during the roster period. Certainly this included standbys where I often got called out in advance. Also crew are not included in the working time directive, so no rest breaks etc.
When discussing this down the pub The question to normal office types of when you go to the loo at work are you still at working & being paid. Of course is the answer, so what pray tell is the difference with aircrew.
Wonder how many of the daily mail readers could do a 60 hour week including time changes (jet lag) on a regular basis.
(Note I am not saying others do not do long hours but so do crew)
Rant over
IcePack is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 12:03
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Uk
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Itís the mail, itís not worthy of worrying about. Iím sure if they said chemtrails exist most of the readership would agree.

Didnít they also say the basic pay was £150k for a Ba pilot.

Iím absolutely certain if I ever ended up in the rag , the first thing theyíd do is go on zoopla and see how much my house is worth .
Meester proach is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 12:35
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Geneva
Age: 47
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Over here in France we get thrashed in the press every few months for this exact same reason. Nothing to do about except ignore. 850 hours last year, in line with just about any outfit, but not enough for the gutter press.
I personnally donít read aviation articles in the press anymore.
airseb is online now  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 17:24
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Centre of Universe
Posts: 364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It was a dreadful one sided article without facts.
Twiglet1 is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 17:35
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Stockport MAN/EGCC
Age: 70
Posts: 991
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Twiglet1
It was a dreadful one sided article without facts.
That is as concise and erudite review of the Daily Fail as one could wish for.
Thank you Twiglet1.
Be lucky
David
The AvgasDinosaur is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 17:36
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 709
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I actually thought the writer was very well researched, and had deliberately written the article with maximum spin in order to paint BA pilots in the worst possible light whilst almost remaining completely factual throughout. The Mail loves to make its readers as angry with the world as possible.
GS-Alpha is online now  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 18:10
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: New York
Posts: 222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Aviation Journalism? Fake News!!

Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
I actually thought the writer was very well researched, and had deliberately written the article with maximum spin in order to paint BA pilots in the worst possible light whilst almost remaining completely factual throughout. The Mail loves to make its readers as angry with the world as possible.
Good grief; with an admittedly broader but recognizable to the general public definition of 'Working" I think I could argue a case for 17 hour working days!!
neilki is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 19:11
  #8 (permalink)  

"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: England
Age: 76
Posts: 4,058
Received 121 Likes on 43 Posts
Rough figures, and I'm long retired, so bear with me. Short-haul in Europe. Four sectors @ 2hr each = 8 hr. Add 1 hr report, 3 x 40 min turnround (not you-know-who) plus 30 min post-flight = 11.5 hour day. Early start used to be 9 hr max. 47 weeks @ 5 days per week = 235 working days. If half are earlies, the figure comes to 2402 hours per year, the equivalent for a "wage-slave" who only gets two weeks leave a year, a 48 hour week
Herod is online now  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 19:42
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Earth
Posts: 666
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
I actually thought the writer was very well researched, and had deliberately written the article with maximum spin in order to paint BA pilots in the worst possible light whilst almost remaining completely factual throughout. The Mail loves to make its readers as angry with the world as possible.
Couldn't have said it better. The sad part is the vast majority fall for it.
Officer Kite is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 20:40
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 253
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I fell for it, complaint made to IPSO, independent press standards organisation.

They can get away with most of the article but to say a pilot only works 17.5 hours per week, it currently being summer season, pissed me right off.
Total Pressure is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 20:43
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 995
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In Germany we have one tabloid, BILD.

How many do you have in the UK?
gearlever is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 21:39
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53į 32′ 9.19″ N, 9į 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gearlever
In Germany we have one tabloid, BILD.

How many do you have in the UK?
Bild is a serious newspaper compared to Sun and co.
ExDubai is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:27
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: London
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
The Mail loves to make its readers as angry with the world as possible.
They're always angry Happy to chat with anyone right or left wing, but if they say they read the mail... No point. I've found them to have such a narrow-minded, poisoned, view of the world
PerPurumTonantes is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 00:44
  #14 (permalink)  
T21
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Nobody has pointed out that if 900 hours a year equals 17.5 hours a week does that mean that they do not have any holidays?
T21 is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 06:04
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,674
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Twiglet1
It was a dreadful one sided article without facts.
Contract season?
Rated De is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 06:05
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,674
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by T21
Nobody has pointed out that if 900 hours a year equals 17.5 hours a week does that mean that they do not have any holidays?
Is that flight or duty hours?
Rated De is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:24
  #17 (permalink)  
T21
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think we all agree that it should be duty hours and not flying hours that should be used in this discussion. The point I was trying to make is that having worked out those hours they should then be divided by 46 to 48 (depending on your T&C's) to reach an accurate weekly hour worked figure.
T21 is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:56
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: The woods
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Shame about the DM. They used to be aviation mad - sponsored air races - gave prizes (including the North Atlantic to A and B)
These days you canít whip up too much enthusiasm or informed comment from them.
Having said that there are some helpful people there who have assisted me with the odd archive item.
bill fly is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 10:24
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: positioning
Posts: 1,818
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
The same happened a few years ago with the talking-head 'aviation expert' Simon Calder in the Independent, who bought O'Leary's claim that pilots 'only worked 900 hrs per year', without fact-checking.
He got several thousand responses for that, including mine.
toratoratora is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2019, 13:48
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: The Home of the Gnomes
Posts: 412
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by toratoratora
The same happened a few years ago with the talking-head 'aviation expert' Simon Calder in the Independent, who bought O'Leary's claim that pilots 'only worked 900 hrs per year', without fact-checking.
He got several thousand responses for that, including mine.
I was one of the thousands. In fairness to Mr Calder, he apologised by return and subsequently printed a correction.
Tay Cough is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.