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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Well if there was, it all seems to have disappeared again. .
Hit refresh A bunch of Air India, KLM, Turkish, Thai, BA, Azerbaijan and finally a Swiss approaching now. What is of notable is that BA avoids all of Pakistan - whereas Air India Thai etc miss most of it, except the western part - crossing the Pakistan coast heading north via P518 to PG thence west. A long detour from New Delhi!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:12
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Not taking sides, but just something to be aware of. Most Arabs prefer to call it the Arabian Gulf. I once witnessed a fight over this at close quarters.
All this political correctness leads to things like: ...whose student then goes on to kill themselves... in another thread.
Now in the days of the British Empire it was the Persian Gulf, not because it belonged to Persia but because it made geographical sense.
Maybe after Brexit these things will get straightened out.

(Note that this is tongue in cheek please Boris)
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Might make their PER - LHR 787 non-stop a bit tricky
Just a short detour over Oman, Saudi and UAE airspace
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:11
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
Hit refresh A bunch of Air India, KLM, Turkish, Thai, BA, Azerbaijan and finally a Swiss approaching now.
Well they all seem to have disappeared again - and BA198, for example, certainly didn't fly through the Tehran FIR (BA has announced that it will also observe the FAA restriction).





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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:36
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I was looking at BA256 that was then over Iran - currently over the Black Sea. .

Swiss 181 just leaving to the NW and Singapore 326 near Tehran atm.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
I was looking at BA256 that was then over Iran - currently over the Black Sea. .

Swiss 181 just leaving to the NW and Singapore 326 near Tehran atm.
All of those flights overflew mainland Iran and not the restricted/NOTAM'd area.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:23
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US-Iran tensions: UAE-based airlines Emirates, Fly Dubai, Etihad and Air Arabia reroute flights EFriday, June 21, 2019
US-Iran tensions: UAE-based airlines Emirates, Fly Dubai, Etihad and Air Arabia reroute flights https://gulfnews.com/uae/us-iran-ten....1561112146194
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:26
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
All of those flights overflew mainland Iran and not the restricted/NOTAM'd area.
I thought we were talking about avoiding OIIX in total as per post 15? Anyway, no biggy in the grand scheme of things. que sera sera.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:09
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Ah, hence the confusion. Here's the NOTAM:

ALL FLIGHT OPERATIONS IN THE OVERWATER AREA OF THE TEHRAN FLIGHT INFORMATION REGION (FIR) (OIIX) ABOVE THE PERSIAN GULF AND GULF OF OMAN ONLY ARE PROHIBITED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE DUE TO HEIGHTENED MILITARY ACTIVITIES AND INCREASED POLITICAL TENSIONS IN THE REGION, WHICH PRESENT AN INADVERTENT RISK TO U.S. CIVIL AVIATION OPERATIONS AND POTENTIAL FOR MISCALCULATION OR MIS-IDENTIFICATION.
I guess the logic is that any potentially trigger-happy units are likely to be afloat or on the coast. Hopefully there aren't any.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
That wouldn't do much good. Iranair 655 was monitoring guard, weren't they?

Maybe it should be the responsibility of armed forces to not "misidentify" aircraft in areas with high civilian traffic?
Indeed. From the Wayback Machine, some illuminating reading about the Vincennes and the lead-up to the Iranair 655 shoot-down:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060527...02/20note.html
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 01:51
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Does Iran earn fees when airlines fly over their territory?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 02:37
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded View Post
Indeed. From the Wayback Machine, some illuminating reading about the Vincennes and the lead-up to the Iranair 655 shoot-down:
Interesting that they were 18 miles - 20 miles away from the USS Vincennes when it originally decided to launch its missiles at the Iranian civilian aircraft broadcasting it was civilian.

Do US drones identify themselves via transponder? Presumably the US drone didn't respond to any messages to veer away from Iranian air space?? /s

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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 05:20
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Does Iran earn fees when airlines fly over their territory?
yes... all countries do. Called navigation charges.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 07:32
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As of 0724z major carriers over Iranian airspace include KLM, Lufthansa, Singapore, Finnair, Etihad and Qatar. It looks like most of them are avoiding the Gulf/Strait of Hormuz coastline region of the country, except for Qatar, probably due fuel constraints.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 07:52
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
As of 0724z major carriers over Iranian airspace include KLM, Lufthansa, Singapore, Finnair, Etihad and Qatar. It looks like most of them are avoiding the Gulf/Strait of Hormuz coastline region of the country, except for Qatar, probably due fuel constraints.
British Airways, KLM and Lufthansa among airlines to avoid Iran-controlled Gulf airspace
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 08:01
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They may just be avoiding the specific area around the Strait of Hormuz, but aircraft from the aforementioned carriers at the moment are in the Tehran FIR over Iranian territory.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 08:18
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
They may just be avoiding the specific area around the Strait of Hormuz, but aircraft from the aforementioned carriers at the moment are in the Tehran FIR over Iranian territory.
Yes, as discussed earlier in the thread (see my previous post where I quoted the NOTAM).

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