Persian Gulf

[compressor stall]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Well if there was, it all seems to have disappeared again. .

Hit refresh A bunch of Air India, KLM, Turkish, Thai, BA, Azerbaijan and finally a Swiss approaching now. What is of notable is that BA avoids all of Pakistan - whereas Air India Thai etc miss most of it, except the western part - crossing the Pakistan coast heading north via P518 to PG thence west. A long detour from New Delhi!

[bill fly]

Originally Posted by jolihokistix

Not taking sides, but just something to be aware of. Most Arabs prefer to call it the Arabian Gulf. I once witnessed a fight over this at close quarters.

All this political correctness leads to things like: ...whose student then goes on to kill themselves... in another thread.
Now in the days of the British Empire it was the Persian Gulf, not because it belonged to Persia but because it made geographical sense.
Maybe after Brexit these things will get straightened out.

(Note that this is tongue in cheek please Boris)

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by WingNut60

Might make their PER - LHR 787 non-stop a bit tricky

Just a short detour over Oman, Saudi and UAE airspace

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by compressor stall

Hit refresh A bunch of Air India, KLM, Turkish, Thai, BA, Azerbaijan and finally a Swiss approaching now.

Well they all seem to have disappeared again - and BA198, for example, certainly didn't fly through the Tehran FIR (BA has announced that it will also observe the FAA restriction).

[compressor stall]

I was looking at BA256 that was then over Iran - currently over the Black Sea. .

Swiss 181 just leaving to the NW and Singapore 326 near Tehran atm.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by compressor stall

I was looking at BA256 that was then over Iran - currently over the Black Sea. .

Swiss 181 just leaving to the NW and Singapore 326 near Tehran atm.

All of those flights overflew mainland Iran and not the restricted/NOTAM'd area.

[Longtimer]

US-Iran tensions: UAE-based airlines Emirates, Fly Dubai, Etihad and Air Arabia reroute flights EFriday, June 21, 2019

US-Iran tensions: UAE-based airlines Emirates, Fly Dubai, Etihad and Air Arabia reroute flights https://gulfnews.com/uae/us-iran-ten....1561112146194

[compressor stall]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

All of those flights overflew mainland Iran and not the restricted/NOTAM'd area.

I thought we were talking about avoiding OIIX in total as per post 15? Anyway, no biggy in the grand scheme of things. que sera sera.

[DaveReidUK]

Ah, hence the confusion. Here's the NOTAM:

ALL FLIGHT OPERATIONS IN THE OVERWATER AREA OF THE TEHRAN FLIGHT INFORMATION REGION (FIR) (OIIX) ABOVE THE PERSIAN GULF AND GULF OF OMAN ONLY ARE PROHIBITED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE DUE TO HEIGHTENED MILITARY ACTIVITIES AND INCREASED POLITICAL TENSIONS IN THE REGION, WHICH PRESENT AN INADVERTENT RISK TO U.S. CIVIL AVIATION OPERATIONS AND POTENTIAL FOR MISCALCULATION OR MIS-IDENTIFICATION.

I guess the logic is that any potentially trigger-happy units are likely to be afloat or on the coast. Hopefully there aren't any.

[OldnGrounded]

Originally Posted by dr dre

That wouldn't do much good. Iranair 655 was monitoring guard, weren't they?

Maybe it should be the responsibility of armed forces to not "misidentify" aircraft in areas with high civilian traffic?

Indeed. From the Wayback Machine, some illuminating reading about the Vincennes and the lead-up to the Iranair 655 shoot-down:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060527...02/20note.html

[bhunt95]

Does Iran earn fees when airlines fly over their territory?

[Dee Vee]

Originally Posted by OldnGrounded

Indeed. From the Wayback Machine, some illuminating reading about the Vincennes and the lead-up to the Iranair 655 shoot-down:

Interesting that they were 18 miles - 20 miles away from the USS Vincennes when it originally decided to launch its missiles at the Iranian civilian aircraft broadcasting it was civilian.

Do US drones identify themselves via transponder? Presumably the US drone didn't respond to any messages to veer away from Iranian air space?? /s

[goeasy]

Originally Posted by bhunt95

Does Iran earn fees when airlines fly over their territory?

yes... all countries do. Called navigation charges.

[dr dre]

As of 0724z major carriers over Iranian airspace include KLM, Lufthansa, Singapore, Finnair, Etihad and Qatar. It looks like most of them are avoiding the Gulf/Strait of Hormuz coastline region of the country, except for Qatar, probably due fuel constraints.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by dr dre

As of 0724z major carriers over Iranian airspace include KLM, Lufthansa, Singapore, Finnair, Etihad and Qatar. It looks like most of them are avoiding the Gulf/Strait of Hormuz coastline region of the country, except for Qatar, probably due fuel constraints.

British Airways, KLM and Lufthansa among airlines to avoid Iran-controlled Gulf airspace

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

British Airways, KLM and Lufthansa among airlines to avoid Iran-controlled Gulf airspace

They may just be avoiding the specific area around the Strait of Hormuz, but aircraft from the aforementioned carriers at the moment are in the Tehran FIR over Iranian territory.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by dr dre

They may just be avoiding the specific area around the Strait of Hormuz, but aircraft from the aforementioned carriers at the moment are in the Tehran FIR over Iranian territory.

Yes, as discussed earlier in the thread (see my previous post where I quoted the NOTAM).