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KC 46 tanker landing at Paris Airshow

Old 20th Jun 2019, 14:27
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Originally Posted by TURIN
Yes, unfortunately, of late the U.S. military has been showing up uninvited. 😁
The U.S. military showed up 75 years ago along with the military forces of other nations uninvited.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 14:41
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The U.S. military showed up 75 years ago along with the military forces of other nations uninvited.
I get the humour, but not entirely accurate! But that's for another forum!
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 14:46
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Originally Posted by Lord Farringdon
Looks like he only used half the runway to land...................that would be the half to right of the centre line!
He actually used 1/4 of the runway, the last half in length and the right half in width.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:50
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They were showing how the tanker version of MCAS works....no worries.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 05:34
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Originally Posted by misd-agin
He actually used 1/4 of the runway, the last half in length and the right half in width.
Decent saving in landing fees?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:31
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Originally Posted by stilton
Donít see what all the fuss is about

It is an air show
The more one would expect the best of the best to show up.
This display shows poor skills and even worse, poor judgement. He almost touched in the grass.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:36
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could be some trillion star General that needed to keep currency and figured he'd do it on this flight...

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:49
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Originally Posted by groundbum
could be some trillion star General that needed to keep currency and figured he'd do it on this flight...
Unconfirmed reports elsewhere suggest that it was being flown by the squadron (344th ARS) commander.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:14
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stilton is on the money, why arrive at an airshow like a scheduled air transport.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:59
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Originally Posted by hec7or
stilton is on the money, why arrive at an airshow like a scheduled air transport.
Well if you are going to show off, make sure you can handle it...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 23:53
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser


Well if you are going to show off, make sure you can handle it...

Maybe he wasn't showing of, just having his hands full trying to get that thing "somewhere" onto the runway ?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 00:44
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Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra
The more one would expect the best of the best to show up.
This display shows poor skills and even worse, poor judgement. He almost touched in the grass.
Funny, I thought military pilots were meant to be the best trained and much more skilled at hand flying than us mere autopilot dependent civilians. Well thatís what they insist anyway....
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 08:03
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Once upon a time, novice BOAC VC10 pilots flew something like 40 landings under training, with plenty of manual circuit flying. Whereas today the emphasis appears to be on SOPs and autoflight systems monitoring, with aircraft largely flying themselves, so much so that the airlines have discouraged much in the way of manual flying skills, deeming them unnecessary in day-to-day flying. As a result , some 'children of the magenta' would be quite out of their depth flying something as simple as a visual circuit.

Some military operations require a higher degree of manual flying, it is true. But emphatically not the type of approach flown by that KC-46A at Paris. Start the final turn with the RW threshold 45 deg behind you, control speed, rate of descent and configuration throughout the turn until you roll out on the centreline at about 600ft 2 miles out fully configured and stabilised at the correct speed. Not exactly demanding. But something that KC-46A crew seemed to be unable to manage.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 08:15
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Start the final turn with the RW threshold 45 deg behind you, control speed, rate of descent and configuration throughout the turn until you roll out on the centreline at about 600ft 2 miles out fully configured and stabilised at the correct speed.
Is that how you would fly an instrument approach to a sidestep which is seemingly what this was?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 08:37
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No, beardy. Was that really an instrument approach to sidestep? I admit I only had to do those a couple of times (e.g. Frankfurt easterly sidestepping to the right hand runway for Rhein-Main AB) and at a couple of other major airports and agree that the angles of bank required to make a positive sidestep were probably greater than you would normally need on a conventional approach, but on each occasion we landed in the right place at the right speed...

Out of curiosity, has a sidestep ever been necessary at London Heathrow?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 09:04
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Out of curiosity, has a sidestep ever been necessary at London Heathrow?
Well Iíve done one. 09L to 09R due to poor speed control from the one ahead.

Whichever way you look at it. Landing that far down the runway, and that far off the centreline is no advert for great handling skills. The right main gear is pretty clearly over the grass at 50í, and the aircraft not even lined up with the runway. Possibly reflecting that, the last couple of hundred feet appeared very much on the ragged edge of the handling pilotís ability curve.

That was much closer to being an incident, than it ever needed to be. Even arriving at an air show.

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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by BEagle
..Out of curiosity, has a sidestep ever been necessary at London Heathrow?
Yep, another one here who side stepped 09L to 09R at LHR though canít remember why it was offered.


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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 09:13
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Originally Posted by BEagle
No, beardy. Was that really an instrument approach to sidestep? I admit I only had to do those a couple of times (e.g. Frankfurt easterly sidestepping to the right hand runway for Rhein-Main AB) and at a couple of other major airports and agree that the angles of bank required to make a positive sidestep were probably greater than you would normally need on a conventional approach, but on each occasion we landed in the right place at the right speed...
Apparently it was a sidestep through 20 degree runway headings which from minima can be interesting. I concur that it was not particularly impressively handled.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 11:22
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Out of curiosity, has a sidestep ever been necessary at London Heathrow?
Had the occasional sidestep from 27R to 27L, saves a ton of taxitime when parkes at T4.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 13:12
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Originally Posted by beardy
Apparently it was a sidestep through 20 degree runway headings which from minima can be interesting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the tanker landed on 21. LBG's other runways are 25 and 27.

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