Embraer to be known as Boeing Brazil

[VH DSJ]

Well, the commercial division of Embraer, will be known as Boeing Brasil - Commercial. No decision however has been made to rebrand the ERJ Ejets to ‘Boeing’ however, but I personally like the sound of the Boeing 195. :-)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embraer-m-a-boeing/boeing-drops-embraer-name-from-brazil-commercial-jet-division-

Could Boeing be thinking about supersizing the E195 E2 to 180 seats or more, as a replacement for the 737NG? This might be a good solution to the MAX debacle if public perception about the safety of the MAX remains low.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by VH DSJ

Could Boeing be thinking about supersizing the E195 E2 to 180 seats or more, as a replacement for the 737NG?

If by "supersizing" you mean stretching, how many seat rows do you think that would have ?

[SteinarN]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

If by "supersizing" you mean stretching, how many seat rows do you think that would have ?

Well, simple math; 188 seats single class, divided by 4 abreast gives approximately... 47 rows...
Now, take on the -9 or -10...

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by SteinarN

Well, simple math; 188 seats single class, divided by 4 abreast gives approximately... 47 rows...
Now, take on the -9 or -10...

Yes, that's what my calculator makes it, too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's more rows than anyone has ever put in a narrow-body airliner. Even the longest DC-8 stretch only had about 44 rows, and of course that was a 6-abreast cabin.

A 188-seat, 4-abreast cabin would be an operational nightmare.

[derjodel]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

If by "supersizing" you mean stretching, how many seat rows do you think that would have ?

How about twin fuselage?

[Uplinker]

How about a “Bendy Bus” layout so it could rotate and go round corners ?



I’ll get my coat.

[Union Jack]

"If it's not Embraer, I ain't going there"?

Jack

[Pilot DAR]

Even the longest DC-8 stretch only had about 44 rows, and of course that was a 6-abreast cabin.

Yes, we operated four of them for many years. Ours, as I was told most did, had mid cabin galleys. The reason explained to me for this was not galley practicality, bu rather to prevent the passengers in the back from being able to see the length of the cabin, and how much the fuselage was bending. The fuselage bending concerns extended to the pilots being told to approach the gate on the yellow line to prevent having to steer left in, as the steering caused the fuselage to bend enough that the main door would not operate freely.

I wouldn't expect to see a 47 row narrow body airliner!

[VH DSJ]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

If by "supersizing" you mean stretching, how many seat rows do you think that would have ?

No, I don't mean stretching. I mean a larger fuselage about the same size as the 737, but using the design and technology of the E2. It would save Boeing having to start from scratch in designing a completely new FBW 180 seater aircraft. Why else would Boeing be interested in buying Embraer's commercial division? The regional aircraft market has never been their niche.

[cooperplace]

Originally Posted by Pilot DAR

I wouldn't expect to see a 47 row narrow body airliner!

Ever flown on a 757-300? I did on Continental, if memory serves me; I thought it was horrible. Way too long for single-aisle. They were the worst aircraft in recent times for pax. IMHO.

[Mostly Harmless]

I put in my vote for calling the EMJ the B-220.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by VH DSJ

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

If by "supersizing" you mean stretching

No, I don't mean stretching. I mean a larger fuselage about the same size as the 737, but using the design and technology of the E2.

Ah OK, that makes a bit more sense.

I'd only got as far as working out that you didn't mean a bigger burger with more fries.

[Smythe]

Here you go!

No, I don't mean stretching. I mean a larger fuselage about the same size as the 737, but using the design and technology of the E2.

The E2 design is already old...wings arent even composite...why upgrade to compete with yourself? There are less than 200 195-E2's on order, and it is doubtful it will be successful, especially up against the 220 series.

Why else would Boeing be interested in buying Embraer's commercial division? The regional aircraft market has never been their niche.

Simple, they got shamed into it by the success of the Airbus CS acquisition.

[pattern_is_full]

Originally Posted by VH DSJ

Why else would Boeing be interested in buying Embraer's commercial division? The regional aircraft market has never been their niche.

Only if one has a limited historical outlook. The 720, 727 and 737 were all originally targeted as "regional" aircraft in function. Ability to get into short runways at smaller airports, and work efficently (for the era) on short-range, lower-volume routes. The only competiton in smaller jets back then was mostly Fokker.

And of course Boeing kept the MD-95 when they bought McD, renamed as the 717. Which was basically a throwback to McD's own "regional" entry of the 1960s - the original unstretched DC-9. The B717 replaced QANTAS's BAe-146 regionals, and is the "regional" (intrastate) jet for Hawaiian. Delta uses theirs on "regional-like" routes, and was happy to snap up airTran's 717s after its merger with SWA.

However, that doesn't mean Boeing can't use fresh ideas in the "even-smaller" end of the market. The 736 hasn't been a great seller, nor was the B717 overall.

[Hotel Tango]

I'm neither pro Airbus or Boeing. However, I can't help thinking that the rushed MAX (following the NEO), and the Embraer deal (after Airbus/Bombardier) are panic moves by a company whose executives have lost the plot and can only try and survive by trying desperately to keep up with their neighbours, so to speak.

[oxenos]

Why would Embraer want to be know as Boeing Brazil, given that the name Boeing is somewhat tainted at the moment.

How about re-naming Boeing as Embraer USA?

[Smythe]

Consider the Delta order, what 90 of them so far, ..replacing their E fleet...

While they have renamed it Boeing Brazil, what about the aircraft designation?

[TSR2]

Cooperplace

You don't hear many complaints from Condor Passengers about the B753. Perhaps it's more to do with the airline.

[CargoOne]

Originally Posted by Pilot DAR

I wouldn't expect to see a 47 row narrow body airliner!

Condor 757-300 has 49 seat rows and not a single row number is skipped!

[BEA 71]

I have travelled on Condor 757-300 several times during the last six months. There is nothing wrong with the cabin, the seats are comfortable. Hope they will be able to operate them for quite a while.