Air Canada DH3 hit by fuel truck at CYYZ
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It would help if one looks at the photos.
Aircraft was hit by the front of the truck in the cockpit aerea, then spun and the aircraft tail hit the back of the fuel truck. So, two impacts.
Aircraft was hit by the front of the truck in the cockpit aerea, then spun and the aircraft tail hit the back of the fuel truck. So, two impacts.
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From the above mentioned link https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r.../a19o0063.html
When will they ever learn!
Many passengers ignored the instructions from the flight attendant to remain seated and calm; some were gathering their bags from the overhead compartments, and some were escalating the panic by yelling that they needed to get out of the aircraft.
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It doesn't appear that simple. The geometry of the front part of the fuel truck prevented the driver from seeing the aircraft that approached from his RHS before it was too late when traveling at 40 kmh. Fogging up or not, and definitely in the dark with other blinking lights around and in precipitation. Good thing that the vehicles now got cameras to show sideviews.
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Toronto
from my first visit I've considered Toronto the worst airport in North America for road vehicle traffic. Trucks are everywhere on the ramps; moving at high speeds in different directions. It's clearly badly designed compared to other similar (and larger) airfields. Kamikaze tug drivers in LGA aint got nothing on CYYZ..
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Trucks are everywhere on the ramps; moving at high speeds in different directions.
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Of the 3 infants on board the aircraft, 2 were being held on the lap of a family member, and 1 was being held in a soft-structured baby carrier attached to her mother. Both unrestrained infants were ejected from the arms of the adults carrying them. One infant hit the seat in front of her before falling into the aisle, and received significant bruising. The other infant collided with the neighbouring passenger, but was not injured. The infant wo was held in the baby carrier was not injured; however, the infant's mother received injuries to her back and ribcage due to twisting forces resulting from the momentum of the infant strapped into the carrier.
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Like most "Simple" solutions, the devil is in the detrail:
https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/chil...-plane#systems
By the by, it is not simply up to the FAA, each country served would have to approve the seats and also change their laws to require them to be used. Then of course the travelling public (you know the ones who like cheap low cost carriers) might not be happy and would lobby their local governments .
Here is a link to what is being researched by Transport Canada. https://tc.canada.ca/en/mandating-ch...rcial-aircraft
https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/chil...-plane#systems
By the by, it is not simply up to the FAA, each country served would have to approve the seats and also change their laws to require them to be used. Then of course the travelling public (you know the ones who like cheap low cost carriers) might not be happy and would lobby their local governments .
Here is a link to what is being researched by Transport Canada. https://tc.canada.ca/en/mandating-ch...rcial-aircraft
Exactly. Report is clear and FAA came to same conclusion years ago (I believe it was an aftermath of DC-10 Sioux City crash, if memory serves me well):
I believe the middle-way solution to this is additional loop belt, attached to adult`s belt.
When I travelled with my then 1 yr old son (10 yrs ago), I was well aware of these risks and demanded a loop belt.
Requiring babies to be put in a separate seat (with car seat/adapter) looks as an obvious solution, but on a wider perspective it is a wrong decision.
Regarding this thread topic: after 30 years in aviation may I say that the design of fuel truck involved was inviting disaster-human factor was left behind of efficiency/productivity. External cameras+screens are only a crutch to a user unfriendly design. (how much are cameras night capable (NVG/IR, near IR?, How are lens cleanliness ensured...?) And wouldn`t be better to install a modified FLARM warning device?
- Making car seats a requirement when flying could raise air fare prices by 45% according to an FAA study. In Canada, this would affect just under 4 million families with small children. Because family travel is among the most price sensitive, families would choose to drive to their destination rather than pay for a seat for their young child to be in a mandatory aircraft CRS.
- Parents choosing to drive would add 164 million more vehicle kilometers of highway travel per year on Canadian roads. This would translate into at least 10 premature highway deaths in the next decade in Canada, but might save one infant life by air.
I believe the middle-way solution to this is additional loop belt, attached to adult`s belt.
When I travelled with my then 1 yr old son (10 yrs ago), I was well aware of these risks and demanded a loop belt.
Requiring babies to be put in a separate seat (with car seat/adapter) looks as an obvious solution, but on a wider perspective it is a wrong decision.
Regarding this thread topic: after 30 years in aviation may I say that the design of fuel truck involved was inviting disaster-human factor was left behind of efficiency/productivity. External cameras+screens are only a crutch to a user unfriendly design. (how much are cameras night capable (NVG/IR, near IR?, How are lens cleanliness ensured...?) And wouldn`t be better to install a modified FLARM warning device?
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