Aer Lingus pax 'disembark' onto wings
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Aer Lingus pax 'disembark' onto wings
Granted, there was a return so uncertain what announcements might have occurred prior to landing but pax opened the over wing emergency exits and climbed onto wing after the pilot requested they 'disembark the aircraft quickly'. https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/plane-...gency-landing/
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Granted, there was a return so uncertain what announcements might have occurred prior to landing but pax opened the over wing emergency exits and climbed onto wing after the pilot requested they 'disembark the aircraft quickly'. https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/plane-...gency-landing/
The needs of the One outweighs the needs of the many?
If that had happened in the terrible Moscow crash fire, how many then would have survived?
Its a supremely difficult humanitarian dilemma.
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Reading the article I saw that an emergency exit was essentially 'blocked' by CC assisting a disabled passenger and preventing disembarking of the other pax (remember - the pax thought it was an emergency evac) so that was why the over wing exits were used.
The needs of the One outweighs the needs of the many?
If that had happened in the terrible Moscow crash fire, how many then would have survived?
Its a supremely difficult humanitarian dilemma.
The needs of the One outweighs the needs of the many?
If that had happened in the terrible Moscow crash fire, how many then would have survived?
Its a supremely difficult humanitarian dilemma.
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Granted, there was a return so uncertain what announcements might have occurred prior to landing but pax opened the over wing emergency exits and climbed onto wing after the pilot requested they 'disembark the aircraft quickly'. https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/plane-...gency-landing/
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You either have an emergency evacuation or it is a normal disembarkation.
As this Cpt just found out.
A tricky one this one as once You go for a normal one and the stairs are attached the slides are disarmed.
On the A320 the overwing slides apparently are armed regardless.
Bad choice of wording leading to a bit of crowd control issues.
I learned something today.
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As this Cpt just found out.
A tricky one this one as once You go for a normal one and the stairs are attached the slides are disarmed.
On the A320 the overwing slides apparently are armed regardless.
Bad choice of wording leading to a bit of crowd control issues.
I learned something today.
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Granted, there was a return so uncertain what announcements might have occurred prior to landing but pax opened the over wing emergency exits and climbed onto wing after the pilot requested they 'disembark the aircraft quickly'. https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/plane-...gency-landing/
sorry could not resist...
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Capt B - From my reading of the AAIU report, the Captain initiated the “Rapid Disembarkation” procedure which is an SOP in Aer Lingus which is, in effect, a halfway step between a full evacuation and normal disembarkation.
This captain seems to have followed the procedure prescribed by the airline and approved by the authority (IAA). Now, whether or not this procedure is adequate or not, is an entirely different question. From my reading, the crew handled the emergency well and may have been let down by an ambiguous procedure which led to confusion in the cabin.
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First on, but almost always last off on US flights, at least with Delta. I don't think that last off is policy, just simply time it takes to get wheel chairs to the gate with correct staff (e.g. not airline staff). A lot of elderly and wheel chair folks on our flights Tuesday. Also, I believe that even if they are not in a wheel chair, but somewhat elderly, they don't want to get trampled. Lots of elderly frequent fliers these days.
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Capt B - From my reading of the AAIU report, the Captain initiated the “Rapid Disembarkation” procedure which is an SOP in Aer Lingus which is, in effect, a halfway step between a full evacuation and normal disembarkation.
This captain seems to have followed the procedure prescribed by the airline and approved by the authority (IAA). Now, whether or not this procedure is adequate or not, is an entirely different question. From my reading, the crew handled the emergency well and may have been let down by an ambiguous procedure which led to confusion in the cabin.
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Assistance needed = First on - Last off as a standard.
Whatsitallabout:
Interesting procedure.
Perfect decision.
Plan/Sop not so perfect.
Standing by for amendment.
So, I learn more today.
Thanks W
Whatsitallabout:
Interesting procedure.
Perfect decision.
Plan/Sop not so perfect.
Standing by for amendment.
So, I learn more today.
Thanks W
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Humble SLF here. If the pilot issued an order to ‘disembark the aircraft quickly’, why would the cabin crew then block the aisle assisting a disabled passenger? To me, this does not make sense.
From the SLF point of view an emergency return to the airport had been carried out. I don’t know if the passengers knew the return was due to fumes in the cockpit or not but any emergency return is going to be cause for concern. Keep in mind that this is occurred soon after the fiery Russian crash where many passengers lost their lives because they could not get out. This has been all over the news. The passengers saw the plane surrounded by fire trucks and emergency vehicles which is a good thing but if they don’t know that, they may have concluded the situation was worse than they thought. To the average passenger I suspect ‘disembark the aircraft quickly’ = get out. If I had received this order and the aisle was blocked, I’m very sorry but I would have opened the window exit too and I am aware that an evacuation will inevitably result in some injuries.
From the SLF point of view an emergency return to the airport had been carried out. I don’t know if the passengers knew the return was due to fumes in the cockpit or not but any emergency return is going to be cause for concern. Keep in mind that this is occurred soon after the fiery Russian crash where many passengers lost their lives because they could not get out. This has been all over the news. The passengers saw the plane surrounded by fire trucks and emergency vehicles which is a good thing but if they don’t know that, they may have concluded the situation was worse than they thought. To the average passenger I suspect ‘disembark the aircraft quickly’ = get out. If I had received this order and the aisle was blocked, I’m very sorry but I would have opened the window exit too and I am aware that an evacuation will inevitably result in some injuries.
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Particularly as the initial CC direction reportedly included the instruction to use the nearest exit, subsequently amended to "please exit the aircraft through the back doors and forward doors" once it was realised that the overwing exits had been opened.
