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Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames

Old 16th Jul 2019, 09:40
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Thanks. I hear from expat friend on the inside, that most of the foreign pilot project team (said to be thoroughly professional and honest), have left for the CAAC land. As well I am almost certain to have seen one of their interview panel pilots commanding a red-tail 330.

One of the reasons shared was that for mainline AFL it actually is Moscow and that might be it. Somewhat unusual for the market behemoth in such a vast land.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by UltraFan
The only example of a newly formed base that I know of is S7's hub in IKT.
Then add VVO and LED to this list in addition to 4 old hubs (IKT,PEE,OMS,CEK) and 2 main bases
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Old 16th Apr 2020, 01:12
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Video is now available showing it coming to a stop and the evacuation. Couldn't find the actual video, so Click HERE for a news site that's hosting it.

50 seconds from sliding to a stop until one ofthe fire appliances is suppressing the fire isn't a bad response time, either...
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Actual video of the evacuation, just released from the russian agency in charge of the investigation.
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Old 16th Apr 2020, 08:34
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Originally Posted by KRviator
50 seconds from sliding to a stop until one ofthe fire appliances is suppressing the fire isn't a bad response time, either...
Clearly there is a big time jump in the video, impossible to say how much longer it took but quite a bit as all the people walking away from the AC are suddenly gone.

The timestamp at the bottom shows that a good 3 mins later they are spraying, but not when that started.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
Video is now available showing it coming to a stop and the evacuation. Couldn't find the actual video, so Click HERE for a news site that's hosting it.

50 seconds from sliding to a stop until one ofthe fire appliances is suppressing the fire isn't a bad response time, either...
18 seconds from stopping to first person leaving via 1L slide needs to become a training topic, in the memory of those perished. Not sure where and to whom, but the next time (hopefully as far in the very distant future as possible) the same must not be allowed to happen.


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Old 16th Apr 2020, 14:41
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At 52 seconds in to the video where the jump is, I can see the cockpit escape windows go from closed to open and exhausting smoke. I can only assume the pilots escaped from the cockpit windows.
I'm not aircrew and have no idea how long it would take to open the window, clime out and slide down the rope thingy times two. This might give an rough additional time to add into the video.
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Old 16th Apr 2020, 23:52
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Originally Posted by JCviggen
Clearly there is a big time jump in the video, impossible to say how much longer it took but quite a bit as all the people walking away from the AC are suddenly gone.

The timestamp at the bottom shows that a good 3 mins later they are spraying, but not when that started.
Great pickup! I clean missed that.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 00:01
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Is the video at 2.46 indicating that the throttles were at full power?
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 01:38
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The person that scrambled up the slide saved a few extra lives. That was truly heroic..
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 05:59
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Originally Posted by paperHanger
Shrug ... with flames coming out of the back, time to get it down is all that counts really, we train for a Vne descent, or full flaps and Vso depending on distance to run. Given that it appears the gear fell off, any time spent checking gear down was wasted ... still, I wasn't there, looks like they did a decent job.
I'm confused, are you talking about a transport category jet? because they don't have a Vne; they have a Vmo ... and also Vso can't be used for anything operationally... please explain further, thanks.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 06:05
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I wonder what the hell is burning back there like that ,thank God that many got out alive. I'm still not sure from the thread, as far as how many people perished
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 06:30
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Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus
I wonder what the hell is burning back there like that ,thank God that many got out alive. I'm still not sure from the thread, as far as how many people perished
See link 9 posts above yours.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 07:20
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See link 9 posts above yours.
Thanks Mr. Dave 41 deaths and people taking luggage (shame on them). Sad, tragic RIP

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Old 20th Apr 2020, 14:11
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In the news today (Google Translate)

The Prosecutor General’s Office sent a criminal case to the court about a plane crash at Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport. On May 5, 2019, the Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft landed urgently a few minutes after take-off and caught fire. Killed 41 people. The Prosecutor General's Office called the aircraft commander, pilot Denis Evdokimov guilty of the tragedy, the cause of the crash was "his failure to comply with the aircraft operation procedures during landing."
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 17:06
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Originally Posted by Paul C
Is the video at 2.46 indicating that the throttles were at full power?
Paul C;
I think you're on to something there. Looking at the video from the point that the aircraft comes to rest until about 52 seconds, it appears that the No.2 engine (can't really see behind No.1) is running at some thrust setting way above idle. Note how the flames on the ground appear to be "fanned" and the smoke plume from that area goes well aft of the empennage before moving left to right along with the rest of the flame and smoke. It appears that there is a pretty good breeze blowing from left to right of the video, which makes sense as airplane was landing into the wind (right to left).

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Hi capngrog

I remember watching the original videos of it crashing and thinking that it just kept on going and going without slowing down and as you point out the flames appear to be well and truly fanned along the ground.

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Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:35
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Originally Posted by capngrog
Paul C;
I think you're on to something there. Looking at the video from the point that the aircraft comes to rest until about 52 seconds, it appears that the No.2 engine (can't really see behind No.1) is running at some thrust setting way above idle. Note how the flames on the ground appear to be "fanned" and the smoke plume from that area goes well aft of the empennage before moving left to right along with the rest of the flame and smoke. It appears that there is a pretty good breeze blowing from left to right of the video, which makes sense as airplane was landing into the wind (right to left).

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Yep, I also note the Eng Masters are off so someone has flicked them in a hurry no doubt sometime during the splice in the video. No attempt to throttle back before doing so

Throttles fully advanced, spoilers retracted and flaps 3. I wonder if that is normal landing flap with full flap for crosswind or short field landings or if full flap is normal landing and flaps 3 for take off? If the latter he appears to be in a go around configuration before disaster struck. or perhaps they just didn't get to the flaps.

Here's a serviceable Superjet 100



here's a not so serviceable Superjet 100.

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Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:52
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Only thing worse than a botched landing is a botched go-around...
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Originally Posted by Lord Farringdon
I wonder if that is normal landing flap with full flap for crosswind or short field landings or if full flap is normal landing and flaps 3 for take off? If the latter he appears to be in a go around configuration before disaster struck. or perhaps they just didn't get to the flaps.
The report already stated the sequence of events. They selected reverse thrust which deployed when the WOW switches were triggered during a bounce. This meant that when they changed their mind to go around and pulled up + firewalled the throttles forward thrust was inhibited due to the reversers not (yet) being stowed. Thus smacking heavily into mother earth.
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