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Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames

Old 6th May 2019, 10:51
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Originally Posted by exekcabincrew View Post
Another thing, now about the SSJ.

As a guy who follows the situation in Russia and the Russian politics pretty close, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the point of developing the SSJ was never to build a good AC. The main objective was to steal money from the Russian budget to fund yachts and mansions to Putin's friends and to fuel state-TV propaganda about how Russia is developing tech products. This may sound as a childish conspiracy, but check any other Russian projects, the space rockets fall half of times, the Russian cars are sh*t, there is no technological exports what so ever.

The slow response is due to the very low qualification of the Russian response teams and the absolute dont-give-a-fu**ness about human life. The same exact thing happens every time there is some sort of disaster. The firetrucks have no water, the ambulance has a flat and can't get to the scene. The country has become a 3rd world hole essentially.

My advice to you, don't fly, drive, buy anything Russian. Have some respect for your life and health.
Thanks to adopting "democracy" and capitalism without any transition.
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Old 6th May 2019, 10:54
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Originally Posted by exekcabincrew View Post
...This may sound as a childish conspiracy, but check any other Russian projects, the space rockets fall half of times, the Russian cars are sh*t, there is no technological exports what so ever.
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That's indeed childish nonsense, considering the Russian space program didn't lose a man since 1980 or so. Vs the US lost two complete ships with all souls on board since. Surely the Russkis are not a technological power house of innovation, but particularly the space program - the only one that currently safely flies people into space regularly, including the US astronauts - is a badly chosen example for exposing their backwardness.

Interesting: https://www.boeing.com/news/frontier...nfeature1.html
The Russkis might not have the technological wealth of others, but they certainly have the brains for it.
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Old 6th May 2019, 10:58
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ANVALDRA If there were no such things as stereotypes the word would never have been invented. Russia has had a reputation for decades of stealing technology from more advanced nations including many aircraft designs and then manufacturing inferior products. It's also known for its secretiveness and antagonistic attitude toward the west even post USSR. All this is well documented.
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Old 6th May 2019, 10:59
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With regards to cabin baggage, simply charge people 100 to take it on board and limit it to the first 50 people. then shown people a rather graphic video as part of the safety demonstration showing what happens when you prioritise someones life over your bag.

Watching people walk away from the plane after the crash they had no urgency to get away from the plane and just wandered around, the truck that was trying to get there struggled to get through.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:07
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At some points in the video, you can see bodies coming down head first, either after crawling or being pushed by someone else. Also, congratulations to that brave man that decided to climb back after evacuating, in order to see if he can still do anything. The FAs probably left too early.

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Old 6th May 2019, 11:08
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Not many came out after 55 seconds; those that did may have been cabin crew. In any case, the statement about 55 seconds can show that, in fact, the "industry norm" of 90 seconds (with half the doors inop) is inadequate.

As for Unterlinden, the point wasn't just that there was plenty of fault to be distributed, and not just the ATC, but rather that inaccurate popular media portrayals of the fault fueled the misery. Similarly, saying that "The jerk in 4C killed 5 people by grabbing his bag" will have real-world consequences. With smartphones, someone's going to have the grim task of sorting through all the onboard video/audio and assessing the evacuation.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:09
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Originally Posted by MungoP View Post
It's also known for its secretiveness and antagonistic attitude toward the west even post USSR.
Yup they opened all those new militry bases and brought people into a military alliance and invaded and destabilised all those countrys thousands of miles from their borders................ oh wait.

As for secretiveness........... think wikileaks told us some of what was happening in the "Free" West, where your personal data is all for sale.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:10
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Originally Posted by slfsteve View Post
Watching people walk away from the plane after the crash they had no urgency to get away from the plane and just wandered around, the truck that was trying to get there struggled to get through.
People evacuating a fatal air crash will be in a trance, oblivious about their surroundings, there are plenty of examples where people just wander aimlessly. It is up to the blue light services to guide these people away safely.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:17
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Having seen a fair number of 'evacuation videos', I still wonder how I would react if the worst happened. No, I wouldn't take my bag [I hope] and I would get as far away as possible [I hope]. But you can never be certain exactly how you would react under those circumstances .. you just hope you will react sensibly.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:38
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Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames

Why so much intense flame at the back of the aircraft? Fuel is in the wings and photos I have seen suggest the wings are intact
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:38
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A couple of observations after viewing the various videos.

Just like the Manchester air disaster of the BA 737, in the last few seconds of forward movement the aircraft skewed/turned perpendicular to the wind causing the flames to fan across the rear fuselage. Possibly caused by one engine still running. It probably sealed the fate of some unlucky souls who may have otherwise evacuated.

There were gaps of in the evacuation line coming down the slides, could this be due to PAX retrieving their baggage or just panic and pushing due to the situation.

R.I.P all lost souls.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:42
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Originally Posted by Bushbuck View Post
By any measure that landing(s) was a shocker. If both engines were performing adequately well, then there is no excuse for such a landing - lightning strike - or not. It appears that the landing contributed to the start of the fire.
Perhaps the pilots were unable to extend flaps. I'm not a real world pilot but the aircraft looked like it approached very fast which may have been a consequence of inability to extend flaps and resulted in the heavy/bounced touchdown?
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:43
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BA 38 the landing gear struts came right through the wings.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:56
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I agree with your scenario, i.e. first bounce before video starts, but must say that we have no idea yet of possible handling difficulties.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:57
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Originally Posted by CodyBlade View Post
BA 38 the landing gear struts came right through the wings.

No it didn't.

It left it's right main about sixty yards behind and over to the right and it sheared it's left main flat to the ground and dragging behind which caused the inboard flap to backflip over the trailing edge of the wing.




Edit; Having said that the right main before detaching DID rupture the fuel tanks and there was significant fuel leakage. Point taken.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:58
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Except there may have been control issue we don't know about
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:59
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If people want to go on about Russia's failings or lack of them please take it to Jet Blast and leave this thread to details about the crash.
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Old 6th May 2019, 12:00
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Originally Posted by alserire View Post
When it's made a criminal offence.

Then try and prosecute someone for it and see how it goes going after people who behave irrationally in an emergency.

We all know what we'd do when watching it on YouTube. Whole different ball game in the middle of it.
Technically it is an offence in most countries under the requirement to follow the instructions of the crew.
Only practical answer is to stop cabin baggage bigger than will go under a seat, enforce it 100% and remove the ovehead bins. The airlines are never going to do this though.
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Old 6th May 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by vanHorck View Post
People evacuating a fatal air crash will be in a trance, oblivious about their surroundings, there are plenty of examples where people just wander aimlessly. It is up to the blue light services to guide these people away safely.
I second this. I'm a first responder too (not in the aviation-sector). I've seen people in panic and fear for their life, while trying to rescue them. Some people will act completly irrational and they may be doing things without thinking about it.

I've seen people jumping out of burning buildings, people that were completely frozen, people that are totally erratic and need to be grabbed and calmed down.

Most pax only experience with leaving airplanes is:
- Grab your luggage
- leave airplane

I think some of them haven't tought about it while acting.
Just a tought before everyone criminalizes the people leaving with the luggage.

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Old 6th May 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by slip and turn View Post
, I am becoming sick of repeated airings on Sky News at least of the apparent official Aeroflot statement claiming evacuation was achieved in 55 seconds
There's a very simple solution to that.
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