Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames
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Another thing, now about the SSJ.
As a guy who follows the situation in Russia and the Russian politics pretty close, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the point of developing the SSJ was never to build a good AC. The main objective was to steal money from the Russian budget to fund yachts and mansions to Putin's friends and to fuel state-TV propaganda about how Russia is developing tech products. This may sound as a childish conspiracy, but check any other Russian projects, the space rockets fall half of times, the Russian cars are sh*t, there is no technological exports what so ever.
The slow response is due to the very low qualification of the Russian response teams and the absolute dont-give-a-fu**ness about human life. The same exact thing happens every time there is some sort of disaster. The firetrucks have no water, the ambulance has a flat and can't get to the scene. The country has become a 3rd world hole essentially.
My advice to you, don't fly, drive, buy anything Russian. Have some respect for your life and health.
As a guy who follows the situation in Russia and the Russian politics pretty close, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the point of developing the SSJ was never to build a good AC. The main objective was to steal money from the Russian budget to fund yachts and mansions to Putin's friends and to fuel state-TV propaganda about how Russia is developing tech products. This may sound as a childish conspiracy, but check any other Russian projects, the space rockets fall half of times, the Russian cars are sh*t, there is no technological exports what so ever.
The slow response is due to the very low qualification of the Russian response teams and the absolute dont-give-a-fu**ness about human life. The same exact thing happens every time there is some sort of disaster. The firetrucks have no water, the ambulance has a flat and can't get to the scene. The country has become a 3rd world hole essentially.
My advice to you, don't fly, drive, buy anything Russian. Have some respect for your life and health.
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Interesting: https://www.boeing.com/news/frontier...nfeature1.html
The Russkis might not have the technological wealth of others, but they certainly have the brains for it.
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ANVALDRA If there were no such things as stereotypes the word would never have been invented. Russia has had a reputation for decades of stealing technology from more advanced nations including many aircraft designs and then manufacturing inferior products. It's also known for its secretiveness and antagonistic attitude toward the west even post USSR. All this is well documented.
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With regards to cabin baggage, simply charge people £100 to take it on board and limit it to the first 50 people. then shown people a rather graphic video as part of the safety demonstration showing what happens when you prioritise someones life over your bag.
Watching people walk away from the plane after the crash they had no urgency to get away from the plane and just wandered around, the truck that was trying to get there struggled to get through.
Watching people walk away from the plane after the crash they had no urgency to get away from the plane and just wandered around, the truck that was trying to get there struggled to get through.
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At some points in the video, you can see bodies coming down head first, either after crawling or being pushed by someone else. Also, congratulations to that brave man that decided to climb back after evacuating, in order to see if he can still do anything. The FAs probably left too early.
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Not many came out after 55 seconds; those that did may have been cabin crew. In any case, the statement about 55 seconds can show that, in fact, the "industry norm" of 90 seconds (with half the doors inop) is inadequate.
As for Unterlinden, the point wasn't just that there was plenty of fault to be distributed, and not just the ATC, but rather that inaccurate popular media portrayals of the fault fueled the misery. Similarly, saying that "The jerk in 4C killed 5 people by grabbing his bag" will have real-world consequences. With smartphones, someone's going to have the grim task of sorting through all the onboard video/audio and assessing the evacuation.
As for Unterlinden, the point wasn't just that there was plenty of fault to be distributed, and not just the ATC, but rather that inaccurate popular media portrayals of the fault fueled the misery. Similarly, saying that "The jerk in 4C killed 5 people by grabbing his bag" will have real-world consequences. With smartphones, someone's going to have the grim task of sorting through all the onboard video/audio and assessing the evacuation.
As for secretiveness........... think wikileaks told us some of what was happening in the "Free" West, where your personal data is all for sale.
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People evacuating a fatal air crash will be in a trance, oblivious about their surroundings, there are plenty of examples where people just wander aimlessly. It is up to the blue light services to guide these people away safely.
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Having seen a fair number of 'evacuation videos', I still wonder how I would react if the worst happened. No, I wouldn't take my bag [I hope] and I would get as far away as possible [I hope]. But you can never be certain exactly how you would react under those circumstances .. you just hope you will react sensibly.
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A couple of observations after viewing the various videos.
Just like the Manchester air disaster of the BA 737, in the last few seconds of forward movement the aircraft skewed/turned perpendicular to the wind causing the flames to fan across the rear fuselage. Possibly caused by one engine still running. It probably sealed the fate of some unlucky souls who may have otherwise evacuated.
There were gaps of in the evacuation line coming down the slides, could this be due to PAX retrieving their baggage or just panic and pushing due to the situation.
R.I.P all lost souls.
Just like the Manchester air disaster of the BA 737, in the last few seconds of forward movement the aircraft skewed/turned perpendicular to the wind causing the flames to fan across the rear fuselage. Possibly caused by one engine still running. It probably sealed the fate of some unlucky souls who may have otherwise evacuated.
There were gaps of in the evacuation line coming down the slides, could this be due to PAX retrieving their baggage or just panic and pushing due to the situation.
R.I.P all lost souls.
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Perhaps the pilots were unable to extend flaps. I'm not a real world pilot but the aircraft looked like it approached very fast which may have been a consequence of inability to extend flaps and resulted in the heavy/bounced touchdown?
No it didn't.
It left it's right main about sixty yards behind and over to the right and it sheared it's left main flat to the ground and dragging behind which caused the inboard flap to backflip over the trailing edge of the wing.
Edit; Having said that the right main before detaching DID rupture the fuel tanks and there was significant fuel leakage. Point taken.
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Only practical answer is to stop cabin baggage bigger than will go under a seat, enforce it 100% and remove the ovehead bins. The airlines are never going to do this though.
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I've seen people jumping out of burning buildings, people that were completely frozen, people that are totally erratic and need to be grabbed and calmed down.
Most pax only experience with leaving airplanes is:
- Grab your luggage
- leave airplane
I think some of them haven't tought about it while acting.
Just a tought before everyone criminalizes the people leaving with the luggage.
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