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Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames

Old 6th May 2019, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Interflug View Post
That's indeed childish nonsense, considering the Russian space program didn't lose a man since 1980 or so. Vs the US lost two complete ships with all souls on board since.
Likewise the only widebody manufacturer never to have had a passenger fatality on one of their large aircraft is ... Ilyushin.
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Old 6th May 2019, 14:40
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Likewise the only widebody manufacturer never to have had a passenger fatality on one of their large aircraft is ... Ilyushin.
Not quite true. I was in Luxemburg in 1982 and a IL-62 crashed there , there were fatalities .
Google found this to refresh my memory : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_343 in fact the accident was a bit similar to this SSJ one .
There also have a been a couple in East Germany times in the 70s..
and of course if you include IL-76s that is totally another statistic
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Old 6th May 2019, 14:42
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To apologise for OT on another say day in aviation

But this hand baggage issue is all of the airlines own making - they blatantly offer CBO only fares and then everyone moans then there is too much hand and wheeled sized luggage brought on board.

The answer is simple - stop the CBO fares - Only allow one small piece like before, that must be able to fit under your seat, (even new A350's in Y have no centre overhead bins)
(and maybe also allow a ladies handbag or a laptop/man bag/duty frees)
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Old 6th May 2019, 14:46
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Originally Posted by A. Muse View Post
Just a thought, (my name is after all A. Muse). Why not save weight and expense by not installing overhead lockers I the first place?
I had this other idea for long time, wonder what the comments here would be. The OVHD bins on my A/C have a manufacturer's max loading limit. I presume from crashworthiness anyway. So how about we divide the number of racks times loading by the number of passenger seats and make a weight rule for onboard luggage? Small items (purses, cameras, laptops) and dutyfree to go under the seats. I think the overall amount of items carried would be about half.
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Old 6th May 2019, 14:58
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Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames

Sad case for all, RIP.
If reporting is at all correct TR Code 7600 (comms failure) after lightening strike.
Now whilst this is inconvenient it does not necessitate a rapid immediate return.
So probably a lot more going on.
If the Flight control computers were affected this would have compromised the normal fly by wire systems and may have left the crew with degraded flight control.
This may go some way to explaining the Heavy Landing / Poor bounce recovery technique that resulted in the loss of main UC and resultant fire.
Some of my colleagues in a previous life had the pleasure of training Russian pilots on the B757, and whilst certain aspects of the training was 'challenging' the aircraft handling near the ground was generally very good.
Lets hope the inquiry comes up with the answers without politics getting in the way.

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Old 6th May 2019, 15:03
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For pities sake 7500 is unlawful interference, not comms failure.

Easy way to remember:
75 taken alive
76 technical glitch
77 go to heaven
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:08
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posted by FlightDetentmake a weight rule for onboard luggage?
Many flights used to enforce a 7kg limit. Years back I flew from PER to CCK and my carry on was weighed at 7.5 kg. I was told to take the Sunday newspaper out of the bag and carry it under my arm, as that would be OK!
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:17
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Not quite true. I was in Luxemburg in 1982 and a IL-62 crashed there
I believe that the Il-62 was single aisle, thus not considered a widebody.
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by tlott View Post
Video from onbaord during the landing.

twitter/Ozkok/status/1125122006674964480
dear tlott
getting PAGE NOT FOUND. has it been pulled?
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:20
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According to Interfax citing the captain of SU1492, after a lightning strike the FBW system switched to direct law.
"командир экипажа Денис Евдокимов сообщил: 'Из-за молнии у нас произошла потеря радиосвязи и переход самолета не через компьютер, а напрямую - на аварийный режим управления' "
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:23
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Originally Posted by yanrair View Post

dear tlott
getting PAGE NOT FOUND. has it been pulled?
Go to twitter website and append Ozkok_/status/1125122006674964480 at the end of the address line.
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:38
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Originally Posted by yanrair View Post
dear tlott
getting PAGE NOT FOUND. has it been pulled?
Try the RT version of the "bounce" footage:
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:39
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Originally Posted by paperHanger View Post
It is Russia, someone has to pay for the bad publicity, they either have heroes, or someone goes to jail ... there seems to be no middle ground.
sometimes the same person can wear both hats in one decade, then switch hats again.
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:44
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
It seems that a hard landing led to fuel tank(s) rupturing and fuel then igniting.

Would one expect a similiar rupture with other comparable aircraft (eg C Series) after a comparable landing or does it seem particularly unfortunate that the fuel tanks did not remain intact ?
No, one would not. It is a certification requirement that this does not happen in a survivable accident see FAR/CS 25.963 (d)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...nt%2021%29.pdf
The BA38 crash would have be a different story if the B777 had not met theis requirement better. Its tanks dd of course have far less fuel in them, but there was no significant leakage.
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Old 6th May 2019, 15:55
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Thruster763, the SSJ was certified to EASA standards, so on paper at least it met those same requirements.
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Old 6th May 2019, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Thruster763 View Post
No, one would not. It is a certification requirement that this does not happen in a survivable accident see FAR/CS 25.963 (d)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...nt%2021%29.pdf
The BA38 crash would have be a different story if the B777 had not met theis requirement better. Its tanks dd of course have far less fuel in them, but there was no significant leakage.
As we currently have no idea what the impact load was it is impossible to speculate on another types ability to survive the same.
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Old 6th May 2019, 16:20
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Originally Posted by A. Muse View Post
The issue of pax taking cabin baggage with them in emergency evacuations rears its' head yet again. Only legislation will prevent large bags being taken on board as, has been mentioned above, baggage is a revenue source.

Having experienced a cabin free of baggage on a flight, I can say it hastened loading and unloading of SLF and was altogether a pleasant experience. Sadly this experience was as a result of 9/11.

I was booked on the first flight out of LGW on 9/12 and check-in staff had no idea what to do, and delayed check in whilst a decision was made. The instruction was given 'no cabin baggage except passports and essential medication'.

100 pax opening hold bags to stuff in hand baggage in a check-in queue was a mess, but it happened. The resulting flight was comfortable with no one getting up to access lockers, and disembarkation was swift.

I for one would like to see a 'no cabin baggage' rule, or at least an enforced maximum of 12 x 12 x 6 inches or a foreign equivalent.
I, for one, will not entrust my laptop to hold baggage. I've seen loaders (I used to be a dispatcher). So this will never happen. If you have any baggage in the cabin, people will try to take it with them, even with flames and smoke in the cabin. So limiting size does very little to change behaviour.
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Old 6th May 2019, 16:24
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Originally Posted by andrasz View Post
FD, I think Auxtank meant that as a figure of speech, the trucks were in position about 25-30 seconds after the plane came to a halt, the best one could expect under any circumstances (as oppsed to more than 90 at SVO).
And being just 30 seconds behind, if there had been a fire, the foam cannon would have started before they arrived. Look at the video today, foam everywhere but on the fire for at least 30 seconds.
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Old 6th May 2019, 16:38
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BBC confirming (for what thatís worth) lightning strike.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48174169
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Old 6th May 2019, 16:46
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"If you have any baggage in the cabin, people will try to take it with them, even with flames and smoke in the cabin. So limiting size does very little to change behaviour."

Quite right but I wonder if the aim should be not to forbid luggage in the cabin per se, but to make sure that the habit of people to take it with them doesn't involve their standing in the aisle to do so, or having to wheel it out, thus significantly obstructing other people's egress.

So if it can't be stowed overhead (the idea of not having passenger lockers) and is small enough not to be an obstacle in itself (forbidding larger wheeled cases, or anything that can't fit under a seat) then any time and obstruction involved in retrieving it prior to departing the plane will be minimised.
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