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Pax Jet in water at NAS Jacksonville, all OK

Old 4th May 2019, 15:29
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Most of the time when we are allowed a 15 knot limit the runway can’t be wet.
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Old 4th May 2019, 15:30
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Originally Posted by MarkerInbound
That's Jacksonville International/KJAK. They went into Jacksonville NAS/KNIP.
Minor typo, Jax International is KJAX.

And yes, there have been calls to change the NIP identifier for Navy Jax for at least four decades. It is viewed in some quarters as culturally insensitive.

Inevitably, the local media are already billing this mishap as the 'Miracle on the
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Old 4th May 2019, 16:49
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Perhaps it's time to ground the entire B-737 fleet due to inadequate thrust reversers, inadequate brakes, just barely subsonic approach speeds, inability to fly in rain, inadequate windshield (windscreen) wipers, no turn signals and required fitment of bald tires due to main landing gear not being covered in retracted position. This is just a preliminary listing of the shortcomings of this dangerous air (allegedly) craft. At least that's the word around the Airbus world this morning. I think I heard all of this on the T.V., or maybe saw it on the radio ... or sumthin'.
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Old 4th May 2019, 17:02
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Glad that all humans onboard survived but evidently there were pets in the belly compartments and their fate is still not determined.
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Old 4th May 2019, 18:12
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Haven't you heard about the new augmented braking system ? It turns out that the brakes on the MAX are a little "grabbier" than the NEO so for certification reasons the MAX gooses the autothrottle a little bit three seconds after initial application of the brake to ensure that the feel is the same. Unfortunately dirt can sometimes get in the speed sensor, so it keeps applying thrust every three seconds until the pilot shuts down the power. Of course, this works whether or not the auto throttle is engaged, but there is a bit of string under the captain's chair that you can pull to engage the parking brake.

(Satire, of course.)
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Old 4th May 2019, 18:59
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Are you sure?
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Old 4th May 2019, 19:00
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Nothing wrong with string. It works great as an indicator to maintain coordinated flight.
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If they were gators, humans were lucky to survive and perhaps that`s why the press are calling it a miracle.
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Old 4th May 2019, 19:48
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Not surprising the nose radome got sheared off, but odd that there is no radar equipment inside. Was this plane flying without its weather radar?? Passengers complained of no airconditioning as well.
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Old 4th May 2019, 20:08
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At least four pets were checked in the luggage department located in the bottom of the plane that left Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to northern Florida. Each is still on the aircraft and presumed dead, Kaylee LaRocque, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy in Jacksonville, confirmed to USA TODAY on Saturday. Although the Boeing 737 plane is not completely submerged in the St. Johns River, the bottom portion, where the pets were positioned, is under water. “There’s water in the cargo hold," LaRocque said. “We are so sad about this situation, that there are animals that unfortunately passed away."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...le/1100509001/
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Old 4th May 2019, 20:36
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Marine radar is surprisingly flimsy under the radome, it looks like a Radio Shack toy. I don’t know about aviation but it wouldn’t surprise me that forces that can shear off a fiberglass(?) dome would also take out the antenna.
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Old 4th May 2019, 21:00
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You would think the recent Southwest Airlines off runway excursion would come to mind when doing an approach into a wet runway with a tailwind and nearby thunderstorms.
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People have been trying approaches like that for years and most the time they make it. Sometimes they don’t and have the off the end result.

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Old 4th May 2019, 23:51
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Maybe there is a better picture on line but all that is visible is the firewall or pressure bulkhead and there are no dangling cables or brackets showing, nor is the plane badly damaged at the nose. When you have an airline with just 4 planes it may be hard to justify buying spares.
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Old 5th May 2019, 02:38
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Odd question perhaps but do military charters have to follow the same rules regarding crew and equipment as when they fly civilians?
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Old 5th May 2019, 03:54
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They are operating under Part 121. thats probably why the NTSB are there.
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Old 5th May 2019, 06:07
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Originally Posted by thcrozier
Nothing wrong with string. It works great as an indicator to maintain coordinated flight.
Unless one utilizes said technique in something of higher performance with a plastic windscreen on a 4+ hour flight with maybe just a little ice, in an effort to determine which of the divergent T&B indicators was incorrect.

One may then have to live with the arc thus inscribed in the middle of one’s field of vision (despite efforts to “buff it out”) until said aircraft has been sold.
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Old 5th May 2019, 06:09
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NTSB photos of the plane and retrieval of the flight data recorder.




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Old 5th May 2019, 06:36
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Where's the EMAS?
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