Ryanair loses court case in The Netherlands
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Economic reason == ryanair's survival critically depends on closing this particular base, and no other solution would save them.
IMO the fine is so gentle that it almost encourages them to do this again. I only hope ryan will appeal
IMO the fine is so gentle that it almost encourages them to do this again. I only hope ryan will appeal
That is not the point.
The point is, as stipulated in the verdict by the judiciary, that Ryanair must abide by the local labor rules. Those rules are very clear and fair. Also for all companies. If you decide to stop/end your business, you must provide an adequate transition for your workforce. Those rules are non-negotiable, and very stringent.
Ryanair is in contempt of its employees, and in contempt of the way things are run here. Including all organisations which guard our well being here. And there are many.
The only reason in existence in which you don’t have to pay anything is when you go bankrupt.
Go away, we don’t want your yellow-blue planes on our runways. Bugger off.
Actually it is the point as if Ryanair prove they can make more money by shutting base then the key agruement used in the initial court case fails. Cannot rely on something you claimed when it is shown to be false.
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Actually You need to read the verdict.
You are wrong. The Judge has explained it quite nicely.
Not in Britain now you see.
As in Norway and NL there is strict rules of engagement with regards to what a Company can do.
This is why RYR had to take down CCTV in the Crewroom at Rygge Oslo and why they had to pay Alexandra Cocca , a wrongfully fired Cabin Crew 3 annual wages as a out of court settlement some years ago.
Do not for one second think that the Dutch Jugde has done a sloppy job.Most of Europe is looking for precedence with regards to RYR cases.
How it works in the UK is a whole other matter, not to be confused with anything in Europe.
You are wrong. The Judge has explained it quite nicely.
Not in Britain now you see.
As in Norway and NL there is strict rules of engagement with regards to what a Company can do.
This is why RYR had to take down CCTV in the Crewroom at Rygge Oslo and why they had to pay Alexandra Cocca , a wrongfully fired Cabin Crew 3 annual wages as a out of court settlement some years ago.
Do not for one second think that the Dutch Jugde has done a sloppy job.Most of Europe is looking for precedence with regards to RYR cases.
How it works in the UK is a whole other matter, not to be confused with anything in Europe.
I have just finished reading all 22 pages of the court ruling. It is an eye-watering, piece by piece slaughter of Ryanair as an employer.
I expected this outcome, however I did not expect the judiciary to be so outspoken concerning the badness/irresponsiblity/disregard towards its employees of Ryanair as an “employer”.
I expected this outcome, however I did not expect the judiciary to be so outspoken concerning the badness/irresponsiblity/disregard towards its employees of Ryanair as an “employer”.
https://www.rechtspraak.nl/Organisat...-handelen.aspx
the 8 individual verdicts are down the page. (In dutch)
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I quickly read through one of them, and that paints a pretty clear picture, leaving one certain company with red cheeks from a firm slapping. No doubt the other seven will only add to that redness.
There is a bit at the end that points towards a discussion on further financial settlement between the company and the pilots though, so we may see this being resolved between the parties involved. Between the lines, the pilot(s) are also being told to use a different basis for establishing the costs of transfer and other penalties, as some assumptions in their previous statements did not work out that way. Doesn't change the facts though: Ryanair will be paying up.
There is a bit at the end that points towards a discussion on further financial settlement between the company and the pilots though, so we may see this being resolved between the parties involved. Between the lines, the pilot(s) are also being told to use a different basis for establishing the costs of transfer and other penalties, as some assumptions in their previous statements did not work out that way. Doesn't change the facts though: Ryanair will be paying up.
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I do not know... But it is unlikely that these Dutch court rulings will be precedent for lawsuits elsewhere in Europe. Labour laws vary wildly between EU member states and these verdicts are soundly based on Dutch law and Dutch customs. ("Goed werkgeverschap" => "proper employer behaviour")
The amount RYR is obliged to pay the pilots is reduced. They are still guilty as hell. Still labeled as the worst kind of “employer” imaginable.
It is actually a collection of separate cases (ryanair against each individual pilot) but here is one actual verdict (in dutch)
The other verdicts are also easily retrievable on this site if you speak dutch.
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/in...eyword=Ryanair
The reason of the allocated amount is that most pilots were able to find employment, and hence the inflicted damage was less.
It is actually a collection of separate cases (ryanair against each individual pilot) but here is one actual verdict (in dutch)
The other verdicts are also easily retrievable on this site if you speak dutch.
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/in...eyword=Ryanair
The reason of the allocated amount is that most pilots were able to find employment, and hence the inflicted damage was less.
In the previous (Feb '20) ruling, a figure of €350k was awarded as damages, but the ruling from last week states that the basis for this figure is not clear. Also, more information has been presented about the pilot's lost income from RYR and current financial situation (the example above concerns a pilot who went to work for Xiamen on a three-year contract). Based on this new situation the amount was reduced to €100k with the pilot having to pay back the excess to RYR. All other aspects of the Feb '20 ruling have been upheld.
