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Old 11th Mar 2019, 22:54
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There is a strong chance something is not right with the Max 8. Grounding the plane is the best thing to do right now until more info comes out would be my one penny. I wouldn't step foot on one right now.
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 23:23
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Originally Posted by armchairpilot94116 View Post
There is a strong chance something is not right with the Max 8. Grounding the plane is the best thing to do right now until more info comes out would be my one penny. I wouldn't step foot on one right now.
from the article linked above:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-et...-idUKKBN1QS2D2

The United States told international carriers on Monday that the Boeing 737 MAX 8 is airworthy as regulators scrutinize two fatal crashes of the new model of aircraft since October, but said it will mandate forthcoming “design changes” from Boeing by April.
If that doesn't scream coverup I don't know what does.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 00:05
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Originally Posted by Mike Flynn View Post


Sorry to disagree with you but this is a very old design that has been modified many times to the point where it no longer resembles the original but relies on its grandfather certification.

Were the shoe on the other foot Boeing and the US would be crowing about Airbus failures. The Comet and Concorde were written of with a lot less fatalities.
Very fair statement, I guess when I mean new, I mean the latest generation 737, with it's associated latest generation avionics. Airliners haven't changed much really in the last 30 odd years with the exception of more efficient engines and systems.

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Old 12th Mar 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by MajorLemond View Post
Very fair statement, I guess when I mean new, I mean the latest generation 737, with it's associated latest generation avionics. Airliners haven't changed much really in the last 30 odd years with the exception of more efficient engines and systems.

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I disagree, the 737 changed massively with the NG, an entirely new wing and resdesigned fuselage structure. It really should have been redesignated 7Y7 or something and recertificated as a new type.

I trace the rot in Boeing back to the MDC merger. The engineering-led approach, seen in the 777 and even the 737NG, has been lost in favour of marketing and accounting. The old MDC way of doing as little as possible, as cheaply as possible to make the pass-grade. Which is exactly how McDonnell ran Douglas into the ground, too, after that merger.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 13:24
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BBC News reporting that the UK CAA has suspended 737 Max operations.

"The UK Civil Aviation Authority has been closely monitoring the situation, however, as we do not currently have sufficient information from the flight data recorder we have, as a precautionary measure, issued instructions to stop any commercial passenger flights from any operator arriving, departing or overflying UK airspace.

The UK Civil Aviation Authority's safety directive will be in place until further notice.

We remain in close contact with the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and industry regulators globally."
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 13:37
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BBC News reporting that the UK CAA has suspended 737 Max operations.
This must have a significant impact at Norwegian. Doesn't they fly transatlantic from UK (airspace) with some of their Maxes?
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 13:49
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CAA document here..... https://www.caa.co.uk/News/Boeing-73...fr3e-2kOkuJ7OU
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 13:50
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Originally Posted by SteinarN View Post
This must have a significant impact at Norwegian. Doesn't they fly transatlantic from UK (airspace) with some of their Maxes?
Yes.

LOT, Air Canada and (occasionally) Icelandair also operate the Max 8 into LHR.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 14:06
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Westjet also have operated the 737Max into Gatwick (C-GXAX).
The ban would, I imagine, have a significant impact on LOT . SP-LVA, LVB, LVC & LVD are virtually daily visitors to LHR. SP-LVC was the morning flight from Warsaw today, presumably just beating the CAA announcement.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 14:12
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I see on Dublin airport website that Norwegian just cancelled a 14.55 and 15.20 (dont know if it is central european or Greenwich time though) departure with the Max to Providence/Boston and New York
This must hurt Norwegian to a considerable degree.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 14:20
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2 Turkish flights from Istanbul to Gatwick and Birmingham have just done an about turn at approximately their half way point.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 14:23
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It's interesting to watch FlightRadar24 at the moment.

TK1997 from Istanbul to Gatwick has just turned around over the Czech Republic. TK1969 from Istanbul to Birmingham looks like it's changing route too. Meanwhile DY4545 (Stockholm to Tel Aviv) has just turned around over Romania - have they been tipped off about another imminent airspace ban, or is this to avoid a future scheduling risk?

Two TUI aircraft inbound to Manchester at the moment.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:06
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Germany also has just closed the airspace for the Max 8

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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:11
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Norwegian has grounded its 18 Max airplanes.

https://media.uk.norwegian.com/
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:14
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I am waiting for EASA to anounce a closure of its airspace for the Max.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:21
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Originally Posted by derjodel View Post
Interesting, while the regulators are sleeping, the market is moving. I predict that even if the regulators don't ground it, the dominos will continue rolling and we'll se more and more suspensions until almost all operators suspend flights, at least until the fdr/cvr are read.
Called it!
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:23
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Civil Aviation Authority SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL DIRECTIVE: SD-2019-001.
Boeing 737-8 “MAX” and Boeing 737-9 “MAX” Limitation of Operations due to a Fatal Accident in Ethiopia on 10 March 2019
This SD is made in the interests of safety of operation and to protect the public following the accident of an Ethiopian Airlines Boeing Model 737-8 “MAX” aircraft on 10 March 2019. External reports are drawing similarities between this accident and Lion Air flight 610 on 29 October 2018 involving the same type of aircraft. Given the similarity of the two accidents, it has been decided that as a precautionary measure that all Boeing 737-8 “MAX” and Boeing 737-9 “MAX” operations in the United Kingdom, whether by UK AOC holders or foreign AOC holders and carriers, should stop until appropriate safeguards are in place.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:35
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Irish Aviation Authority suspends operation of Boeing 737 MAX planes in Irish airspace


https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/aviation-authority-suspends-operation-of-boeing-737-max-planes-in-irish-airspace-910408.html

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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:35
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Last TUI Airways B38M (BY2235 from Alicante;G-TUMB) in the UK airspace has just landed in Manchester.

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Old 12th Mar 2019, 15:47
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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...faa-grounding/

When is the FAA going to wake up and see there is a problem causing deep suspicion of the aircraft. There is a definite cause for concern with the Max that is undeniable.
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