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Pardon me if I am being dense, please! I do not understand. Is this subtext/innuendo about the race of the FO? If so, can somebody plz come out and say it?
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears.
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears.
Nothing to do with race. Its a quote from a film - A few good men.
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i never heard or posted anything about the FO...
In my experience with the NTSB, there are 2 reasons a preliminary report is not out in 30 days. Either the aircraft/CVR/FDR is missing or there is a direct crew related issue. It's been 47 days since the accident. Since they have the FDR and CVR if there was "anything" they could report with the aircraft they would have done so 17 days ago.
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Final word is coming out
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
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Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
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I agree, 12k in corporate another 12 in 737...i can't imagine that overreaction.. If they hit toga, no big deal, just pull the throttles back, pitch up, well lev it..... Unless this fo was a real whacko, but a loud I got it.. Should have fixed it
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