Atlas Air 767 down/Texas

[atakacs]

I'd say a systemic flight control issue seems extremely unlikely on the 767 after so many hours of service

[tdracer]

Further, if the NTSB suspected an aircraft problem, they almost certainly would have said something publicly about it by now, Keeping quiet could put other aircraft at risk which is completely contrary to the NTSB's purpose.

[413X3]

Originally Posted by formulaben

Is it racist if it is true? Do you not see the irony in your statement that diversity hire policies have left many good hires on the outside looking in, e.g. on the street? If there were no hires based on diversity but simply on flight experience and competency, then it would not be an issue. You can blame racism all you want, but the facts are the facts.

Diversity hires are causing aviation to be less safe... as aviation continues to become more and more safe through out the world. Your logic is flawless.

[Old Boeing Driver]

Originally Posted by tdracer

Further, if the NTSB suspected an aircraft problem, they almost certainly would have said something publicly about it by now, Keeping quiet could put other aircraft at risk which is completely contrary to the NTSB's purpose.

I agree with your comment. However, the NTSB is usually pretty good about having something out in a 30 day time period.

Since this thread has run the gamut from pilot input issues to structural failure, I just thought I would pose the question.

Thanks for your post.

[aterpster]

The F/O previously worked for TWA. As I understand it he left there in 1990.

[AviatorDave]

Originally Posted by fox niner

You guys apparently know something about the ethnic background of the FO...why is it relevant? Where do you guys get this info? Is the HR dept applying affirmative action? Why doesn’t the ntsb publish something 35+ days after the accident? Is the fbi involved? Is that the reason?

I personally could not care less about the ethnicity or gender of the guy/gal I am flying with, but if there is anything to it that the FO was a diversity hire despite having a questionable record of flying skills known to HR, it could explain the NTSB being so tight-lipped.
If the NTSB doesn‘t get facts and communication perfectly right, they will have the PC media tearing them apart.
This is a minefield these days ...

[ironbutt57]

Originally Posted by aterpster

The F/O previously worked for TWA. As I understand it he left there in 1990.

when he was 17 yrs old?

[dr dre]

If the FO was incompetent, then is it possible that he was hired not to meet a racial quota, but because US carriers at the moment are in a desperate shortage.

From what I understand regional airlines are taking pilots with 1500hrs and a pulse or otherwise are parking aircraft. Is Atlas in the same situation? I'm not sure but they don't strike me as being the most highly regarded carrier, and they are in a state of large expansion with the Amazon deal.

If they were at the point of an applicant shortage then I don't think they would care what race or gender a pilot was. Maybe they got to the stage where they would take any pilot who met the legal minimums, regardless of competence?

[AviatorDave]

Originally Posted by dr dre

If the FO was incompetent, then is it possible that he was hired not to meet a racial quota, but because US carriers at the moment are in a desperate shortage.

From what I understand regional airlines are taking pilots with 1500hrs and a pulse or otherwise are parking aircraft. Is Atlas in the same situation? I'm not sure but they don't strike me as being the most highly regarded carrier, and they are in a state of large expansion with the Amazon deal.

If they were at the point of an applicant shortage then I don't think they would care what race or gender a pilot was. Maybe they got to the stage where they would take any pilot who met the legal minimums, regardless of competence?

While the industry may face a shortage of pilots, there is still a difference between just being inexperienced and having repeatedly demonstrated incompetence.
I know quite some low timers who are excellent airmen/women.

[aterpster]

Originally Posted by ironbutt57

when he was 17 yrs old?

Then, I must have been given bad information. Do you know his age on the date of the accident?

EDIT: The person who had been let go by TWA was the captain of UPS 1354. Sorry for the confusion.

[Paul852]

The FO was reportedly 45, as I previously posted (but my post was silently censored for reasons that are not clear to me)

[last747fe]

where is report for atlas 767?

what has happened to this report ?

[fox niner]

Apparently, something happended that is beyond anyone’s imagination. Right now, the ntsb does not consider the events as having any safety concern. Read about it in this thread.

[golfyankeesierra]

Because it’s cargo?

[Meester proach]

They’ve got the FDR and CVR so what’s the delay on more info ?

[Intruder]

I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.

[Old Boeing Driver]

Me Too

Originally Posted by Intruder

I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.

That's what I think too

[wrench1]

Originally Posted by Intruder

I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.

Doubtful it's a lobbyist. More likely it concerns personal items related to the crew which are covered by Federal law (like CVR recordings) and require certain approvals prior to release.

[ironbutt57]

Originally Posted by Intruder

I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.

my source dried up, refuses to talk about it...NOT an airplane issue is all thats being said

[TowerDog]

Originally Posted by ironbutt57

my source dried up, refuses to talk about it...NOT an airplane issue is all thats being said

Sounds like an HR issue.
Can the public handle the truth?