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Atlas Air 767 down/Texas

Old 11th Apr 2019, 03:32
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
my source dried up, refuses to talk about it...NOT an airplane issue is all thats being said
Sounds like an HR issue.
Can the public handle the truth?
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 03:50
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Originally Posted by Intruder View Post
I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.
Could be, but it also could be they are behind because of supporting the 737 Max accident investigation and design reviews.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 06:28
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If the rumors of the first officer are proven false can these people have their accounts deleted?
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 12:23
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Originally Posted by 413X3 View Post
If the rumors of the first officer are proven false can these people have their accounts deleted?
This section is called "Rumours & News."
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by TowerDog View Post
Sounds like an HR issue.
Can the public handle the truth?
Pardon me if I am being dense, please! I do not understand. Is this subtext/innuendo about the race of the FO? If so, can somebody plz come out and say it?
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 16:14
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Originally Posted by Organfreak View Post
Pardon me if I am being dense, please! I do not understand. Is this subtext/innuendo about the race of the FO? If so, can somebody plz come out and say it?
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears.
Nothing to do with race. Its a quote from a film - A few good men.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 16:20
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Originally Posted by MATELO View Post
Nothing to do with race. Its a quote from a film - A few good men.
Oh! Good. I saw it but never remember the lines. Plz excuse the interruption.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 19:49
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Originally Posted by wrench1 View Post
Doubtful it's a lobbyist. More likely it concerns personal items related to the crew which are covered by Federal law (like CVR recordings) and require certain approvals prior to release.
I doubt that. They could leave out ANYTHING in the preliminary report, and just publish what is allowed.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 00:20
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Originally Posted by Organfreak View Post
Pardon me if I am being dense, please! I do not understand. Is this subtext/innuendo about the race of the FO? If so, can somebody plz come out and say it?
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears.
i never heard or posted anything about the FO...
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 00:21
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Originally Posted by Intruder View Post
I doubt that. They could leave out ANYTHING in the preliminary report, and just publish what is allowed.
In my experience with the NTSB, there are 2 reasons a preliminary report is not out in 30 days. Either the aircraft/CVR/FDR is missing or there is a direct crew related issue. It's been 47 days since the accident. Since they have the FDR and CVR if there was "anything" they could report with the aircraft they would have done so 17 days ago.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 20:01
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Final word is coming out

Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 20:11
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Originally Posted by CorpJetJock View Post
In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max.
Wait a second-- Didn't I read that the throttles stayed at 94% throughout the event? Doesn't add up.
Oops, sorry, wrong thread!
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 20:23
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Originally Posted by Organfreak View Post
Wait a second-- Didn't I read that the throttles stayed at 94% throughout the event? Doesn't add up.
Oops, sorry, wrong thread!
yep wrong Boeing bro...
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 20:29
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Originally Posted by CorpJetJock View Post
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
not saying some of this could not be right, but the exact same thing was said a few weeks already. Also if the pilots make different inputs the controls will disconnect from each other, but the left side will still work independently from the right side, so the captain would not have lost his input.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 20:30
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Flaps down, 30 miles out?
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 20:42
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Originally Posted by TheEdge View Post
yep wrong Boeing bro...
I tried to delete it but was unsuccessful.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 23:03
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Originally Posted by CorpJetJock View Post
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
To someone with 12K hrs on 757/767 this does not relly sound credible.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 00:01
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Same here, 9K hours 757/767.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 00:24
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I agree, 12k in corporate another 12 in 737...i can't imagine that overreaction.. If they hit toga, no big deal, just pull the throttles back, pitch up, well lev it..... Unless this fo was a real whacko, but a loud I got it.. Should have fixed it
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 02:11
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Originally Posted by Organfreak View Post
I tried to delete it but was unsuccessful.
The delete dialog has a default selection of 'Do Not Delete Message'. Clever, right?




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