Lion 737 skids off runway

[Reluctant Bus Driver]

8200 ft. of concrete. Should have been long enough even for a 737 landing in the touchdown zone unless lots of standing water... Wonder what the winds were.

[sabenaboy]

Originally Posted by Reluctant Bus Driver

Wonder what the winds were.

The answer is available in Avherald.

[12A]

TOGA switch on a Lion Air plane is used as much as an indicator on a BMW...

[India Four Two]

In the last video, there is a female voice, presumably CC, saying several times "tidak barang" which means "no luggage"

[Boeing_Guy]

I was thinking maybe requires that touchdown be done no more than 1,500 feet from threshold but then it would cause Lion to land short instead of long.

[skianyn vannin]

Probably using the standard config for landing in these parts on a wet runway. Flap 5 and Vref 220 knots

[AndoniP]

it certainly looks like they were going a fair old rate and not slowing much once they were on the runway

[SLF3]

SLF: Isn't Flaps 40 part of the evacuation check list (to make it easier to get out through the over wing exit)?

[the_stranger]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

yes well - lots of small airports, lots of bad weather and these days lots and lost of flights - there IS a Safety Culture but TBH it's more like the USA or Europe 40 years ago. Better than it was and improving I think.
I can remember Nigerian A/W putting three F-27's off the end of the runway at Enugu in 4 days - similar reasons

One of the prices you pay if you fly in that part of the world - and the roads and ferries are much much worse

Forty years ago, nobody knew better, nowadays we do. They can do better, but choose not to. Can't say a thing about ferries, but don't see the link. We know how to safely operate a 737, even in horrendous weather and no reason they shouldn't either.
The video clearly shows a touchdown far beyond the TD zone, which should have resulted in a go around.
No weather can be blamed for pressing on and causing this incident. And for that, most of not all runway excursions they had last decade.

[WingNut60]

Mach speed landings are de rigeur in Indonesia.
You don't need an ASI - just look out of the window.
And then hanging off the seat belt as they melt the brakes trying to make the first turn off.

Now superimpose the above onto wet runways after landing long.

Garuda seems to have got on top of the problem, generally speaking.
The others? Not so much.

[Old King Coal]

At PNK / WIOO the R15 is supplied with a 3º ILS, with PAPI on the left set at 3º, and also 3 flavours of VOR approach (X,Y,Z) all planned at 3º. The Jeppesen airport plate states the published LDA for the R15 ILS is 1,983m (with a total runway length of 2,250m and 45m wide). There's also a note 1 (on the Jepp plate) for R15/R33 that states: "Runway slippery during and shortly after rain".

Within the last 8½ years there have been 2 previous overruns there, i.e. prior to this, both involving B737-400's, one of which was also Lion Air (so Lion Air have now overrun there twice).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supadi..._and_incidents

[gulliBell]

I've seen Indonesian pilots fail their annual simulator check yet they're back on the roster the following week without any additional simulator training....if by some magical stroke of the pen....that's just the way things work in Indonesia.

[WingNut60]

Originally Posted by Old King Coal

......There's also a note 1 (on the Jepp plate) for R15/R33 that states: "Runway slippery during and shortly after rain".

Of which they get their fair share.
It's been quite a while since I was last in Pontianak but I do remember that the runway surface was a bit whoop-di-doo at that time.
And that doesn't help, but they MAY have done something about that.