Lion 737 skids off runway
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One user wrote in Indonesian: "Thank god all the passengers are safe."
Others reacted with resignation, including one person who said "Lion being Lion again", possibly referring to the airline's recent troubles.
Others reacted with resignation, including one person who said "Lion being Lion again", possibly referring to the airline's recent troubles.
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Easy to criticise, particularly with no facts. (poss defective brakes, flaps, slats, hydraulics) Any number of abnormals can affect landing distance adversely.
And unless you have operated in the Indonesian arena, you have no idea of the truly nasty weather that can occur without warning, and often over airfields with pretty basic support.
I'm not making excuses for them, simply pointing out how easy it is to point the finger of blame without any background.
And unless you have operated in the Indonesian arena, you have no idea of the truly nasty weather that can occur without warning, and often over airfields with pretty basic support.
I'm not making excuses for them, simply pointing out how easy it is to point the finger of blame without any background.
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To echo RoyHudd, if you read the fantastic book about PanAm, Skygods, by Robert Gandt, you'l lrecall that unlike all other domestic US carriers, who had a multitude of navigation beacons and ILS approaches to fly to, PanAm had to fly all over the third world and into horrendous weather. WIth nothing but NDBs often, there were, unfortunately several tragic accidents. Today, we'd be calling for their AOC to be pulled, " Typical PanAm" ,etc. etc. Granted, they didn't have IRS, GPS and modern RNAV1 on their 707s, but the weather is no better nowadays.
Having said that, Lion Air are not known for their skill in handling the aircraft and the Ex pats they employ are also said to be not exactly top of the heap in reputation sometimes. I remain unconvinced of these accusations. I wouldn't fly with them just in case though....
Having said that, Lion Air are not known for their skill in handling the aircraft and the Ex pats they employ are also said to be not exactly top of the heap in reputation sometimes. I remain unconvinced of these accusations. I wouldn't fly with them just in case though....
Not to worry, Boeing just announced another rate increase in 737 production. It should just about keep up with Lion Air hull loses.......
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Another 20m of runway and we wouldn't have heard anything about it. An interesting evacuation, just about every passenger was carrying something off the plane.
The engines look knackered. The NLG is stuffed, MLG probably also stuffed. I reckon it's worth more as parts than to try and fix it.
The engines look knackered. The NLG is stuffed, MLG probably also stuffed. I reckon it's worth more as parts than to try and fix it.
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Perhaps some of you should take a more detailed look at Lion's safety record. The number of runway excursions is shocking.
They've even had 2 over-runs at the same airport in less than 24 hours. There's also the Bali crash where they flew into the sea - that makes for interesting reading.
The stories from people who've worked there show there is zero safety culture - which is true of Indonesia in general. Just look at their record with ferries.
One of the owners is a Politician with a lot of influence - that means he is above the Law in that part of the world.
The JT610 report will be an interesting read as well.
They've even had 2 over-runs at the same airport in less than 24 hours. There's also the Bali crash where they flew into the sea - that makes for interesting reading.
The stories from people who've worked there show there is zero safety culture - which is true of Indonesia in general. Just look at their record with ferries.
One of the owners is a Politician with a lot of influence - that means he is above the Law in that part of the world.
The JT610 report will be an interesting read as well.
Perhaps some of you should take a more detailed look at Lion's safety record. The number of runway excursions is shocking.
They've even had 2 over-runs at the same airport in less than 24 hours. There's also the Bali crash where they flew into the sea - that makes for interesting reading.
The stories from people who've worked there show there is zero safety culture - which is true of Indonesia in general. Just look at their record with ferries.
One of the owners is a Politician with a lot of influence - that means he is above the Law in that part of the world.
The JT610 report will be an interesting read as well.
They've even had 2 over-runs at the same airport in less than 24 hours. There's also the Bali crash where they flew into the sea - that makes for interesting reading.
The stories from people who've worked there show there is zero safety culture - which is true of Indonesia in general. Just look at their record with ferries.
One of the owners is a Politician with a lot of influence - that means he is above the Law in that part of the world.
The JT610 report will be an interesting read as well.
yes well - lots of small airports, lots of bad weather and these days lots and lost of flights - there IS a Safety Culture but TBH it's more like the USA or Europe 40 years ago. Better than it was and improving I think.
I can remember Nigerian A/W putting three F-27's off the end of the runway at Enugu in 4 days - similar reasons
One of the prices you pay if you fly in that part of the world - and the roads and ferries are much much worse
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Easy to criticise, particularly with no facts. (poss defective brakes, flaps, slats, hydraulics) Any number of abnormals can affect landing distance adversely.
And unless you have operated in the Indonesian arena, you have no idea of the truly nasty weather that can occur without warning, and often over airfields with pretty basic support.
I'm not making excuses for them, simply pointing out how easy it is to point the finger of blame without any background.
And unless you have operated in the Indonesian arena, you have no idea of the truly nasty weather that can occur without warning, and often over airfields with pretty basic support.
I'm not making excuses for them, simply pointing out how easy it is to point the finger of blame without any background.
One fact is certain though, the video clearly shows aircraft landed beyond the end of TDZ.
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Flap setting? Application of reverse above idle?
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The back half of the aircraft was still over the runway. Apparently there was no urgency in getting off the plane (See youtube video) Why did they evacuate?? Looks like poor airmanship and decision making all the way to the end to me!
