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Near miss investigation report

Old 14th Feb 2019, 22:59
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Near miss investigation report

The report states that there was just 1000ft to avoid a collision.
Wouldn't TCAS have alerted this potential collision and allowed 3.3NM (TA region) or 2.1NM (RA region)?

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/.../#.XGXpreRKjcc

Full report: https://www.fomento.gob.es/recursos_..._004_a_eng.pdf

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Old 15th Feb 2019, 00:13
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Originally Posted by Nil by mouth View Post
The report states that there was just 1000ft to avoid a collision.
Wouldn't TCAS have alerted this potential collision and allowed 3.3NM (TA region) or 2.1NM (RA region)?

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/.../#.XGXpreRKjcc

Full report: https://www.fomento.gob.es/recursos_..._004_a_eng.pdf
Have you linked to the right report?

I'm looking at an accident (classed as such because of a serious, g-related injury to a passenger) involving a Ryanair B738.

While there was another aircraft in the area at the time, the report does not state any loss of separation.

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The report states that there was just 1000ft to avoid a collision.
1000 feet of vertical separation does not constitute a "near miss". If it did, there would be thousands of such incidents reported daily.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 02:11
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Cant remember which comedian said it... But .. Why is it called a near miss, shouldnt it be called a near hit ? 😂
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Cant remember which comedian said it... But .. Why is it called a near miss, shouldnt it be called a near hit ? 😂
I think you will find it was George Carlin. He had a great routine about many airline related matters.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Have you linked to the right report?
Probably is the correct one, as it does mention ATC requested decent hold due to possible conflict. But theres absolutely no mention of 1000ft or any LOS.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 16:41
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The official report says the controller told the Ryanair flight to stop descent due to a potential loss of separation with an Easyjet aircraft. That's all. There's no suggestion that "the Ryanair aircraft was just 1,000 feet from colliding with an easyJet plane" – that's just the usual silly journalistic over-excitement. The reason this was investigated at all is the injury sustained by a passenger.

AvHerald's account doesn't mention Easyjet at all:
Accident: Ryanair B738 near Fuerteventura on Feb 10th 2018, passenger injured by stopped descent
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 21:02
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Originally Posted by rmac2 View Post
Cant remember which comedian said it... But .. Why is it called a near miss, shouldnt it be called a near hit ? 😂

George Carlin..."on airlines and flying"
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 21:56
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I must admit that Euro Weekly can be a little SUNish, so thanks for the more realistic comments.
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Is it just me and my bad mood or is there something missing on this report?Is it ok for ATC to set up a situation like this, and to not even being mention on the report as contributing factor? Surely this cannot be regarded as good ATC practice.The pilots are to blame for some erratic manual flight, but realistically, given the circumstances, would the average pilot do much better? So lesson learned: next time keep the AP ON...Shure, and then what? Just be there and watch the altitude bust and probably TACAS TA/RA? Well, maybe a reply to ATC: “unable to maintain FL360”, would at least bring the ATC SOP`s to the investigation game!And by the way, the expression “Near Miss” most probably would be discarded by some ATC areas of the world; rather use “AIRPROX”.
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