50 Years of the 747
At the risk of being pedantic, QF 747SP38 never used full rated thrust out of Wellington, only Rating !.
The reason, the Vmcg limited Vi on full rating was too high to fit a balance field length on the short runway.
But it was fun even on Rating 1.
But not nearly as spectacular as a B767/238-338 on full charge out of the same place, at the usual light weights, only going to the "big island".
Tootle pip!!
PS: Early says, for QF, the trans-US cruise was at M0.88, before the first oil price shock. That was with P&W , later RR didn't like more than 0.86, due to the engine cowl design.
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But not nearly as spectacular as a B767/238-338 on full charge out of the same place, at the usual light weights, only going to the "big island".
). Getting to the flight deck was like climbing a mountain 
.The one flight I'll always remember - 767-200, CF6-80C2B6 (60k) rating, a little over 100 ton TOW. We were on condition, 35k/Mach 0.82 10 minutes after brake release
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A little thread drift here, but any lightly loaded twin doing a max rated TO is going to be spectacular. I did a bunch of engine change certification flight tests on the 767. Usually really light and always a max rated TO (part of the cert condition was max rated TO). As a DER/AR observer, I wanted to be in the flight deck as soon as practical after TO so I could 'observe' (EICAS was my friend ). Getting to the flight deck was like climbing a mountain .
The one flight I'll always remember - 767-200, CF6-80C2B6 (60k) rating, a little over 100 ton TOW. We were on condition, 35k/Mach 0.82 10 minutes after brake release
). Getting to the flight deck was like climbing a mountain .The one flight I'll always remember - 767-200, CF6-80C2B6 (60k) rating, a little over 100 ton TOW. We were on condition, 35k/Mach 0.82 10 minutes after brake release
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As part of that ' series ' videos by Boeing is the RTO test of 747-800- impressive in a different way
I talked to one of the pilots that flew that demo shortly afterwards - he swears they never got greater than 45 degrees from straight and level despite how it appears in the video (interesting tricks of the camera angles).
BTW Conso - not to be anal, but it's the 747-8, not the 747-800...
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That indeed is Moses Lake (I recognize many of the landmarks - it's a favorite for Boeing flight testing - it's nearby but gets them out of the relatively congested airspace around Puget Sound).
I talked to one of the pilots that flew that demo shortly afterwards - he swears they never got greater than 45 degrees from straight and level despite how it appears in the video (interesting tricks of the camera angles).
BTW Conso - not to be anal, but it's the 747-8, not the 747-800...
I talked to one of the pilots that flew that demo shortly afterwards - he swears they never got greater than 45 degrees from straight and level despite how it appears in the video (interesting tricks of the camera angles).
BTW Conso - not to be anal, but it's the 747-8, not the 747-800...
Guess I should have dropped both balls ...
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It is indeed irritating when people show 'vertical take off' that is simply the angle. Also, as in the above 787 rehearsal, it is being played back at a slightly advanced speed. The machines look fine enough without silly angles and silly music - let's hear the donkeys talk for themselves!
The power/weight ratio (even compared to other twins of the era) --- told the story.
Tootle pip!!
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I’ve been infatuated with aeroplanes since I was 4 years old, I’m now currently in the middle of my CPL. Growing up in Northern Ireland in the 90s, I never seen much traffic at Belfast International, apart from RAF/Army due to troubles and the odd small commercial jet. I had however seen loads of pictures and tv footage of the 747, I was desperate to see one in the flesh let alone fly on one.
One summer, I think it was 1997 during the school holidays, my grandad took me to the viewing gallery at BFS. I’ll never forget walking up the stairs into the viewing gallery and I laid my eyes, for the first time, on a 747 parked on stand nose facing right at me. She was huge! I was ecstatic to finally see one. It was a 747-200 on lease to Airtours from Air New Zealand in hybrid Airtours/Air New Zealand livery. They used them to fly charters to Florida etc over the summer. I think they flew from MAN and stopped at BFS to pick up more passengers before crossing the Atlantic.
We stayed to watch her depart runway 25. I remember my hairs standing on end at the sound of her 4 engines and the sight of her climbing away is burned into my memory to this day.
I still havent flown on a 747 as pax and sadly I doubt I’ll ever have the chance to pilot one. The 747 has been a huge part of my enthusiasm for aviation.
One summer, I think it was 1997 during the school holidays, my grandad took me to the viewing gallery at BFS. I’ll never forget walking up the stairs into the viewing gallery and I laid my eyes, for the first time, on a 747 parked on stand nose facing right at me. She was huge! I was ecstatic to finally see one. It was a 747-200 on lease to Airtours from Air New Zealand in hybrid Airtours/Air New Zealand livery. They used them to fly charters to Florida etc over the summer. I think they flew from MAN and stopped at BFS to pick up more passengers before crossing the Atlantic.
We stayed to watch her depart runway 25. I remember my hairs standing on end at the sound of her 4 engines and the sight of her climbing away is burned into my memory to this day.
I still havent flown on a 747 as pax and sadly I doubt I’ll ever have the chance to pilot one. The 747 has been a huge part of my enthusiasm for aviation.
I can sort of see where Conso is coming from.
Although the 747 TC identifies the model/series as "747-8" and "747-8F", the TC also identifies most of the aircraft built to date (including all the passenger examples) as "747-8xx" or "747-8xxF", where "xx" is the traditional Boeing customer code that dates way back to the 707.
Only a dozen or so 747-8s have been built (all freighters) since Boeing discontinued those codes across all its products (the 787 and MAX have never used them).
So, for example, Lufthansa's B748s were built and registered as "747-830", Cathay's as "747-867F", etc, but UPS's are just "747-8F".
Even more confusing is what has happened to the designations for legacy Boeing types like the NG - for example Southwest's early B738s are "737-8H4", but its recent additions, though identical, are plain "737-800".
Although the 747 TC identifies the model/series as "747-8" and "747-8F", the TC also identifies most of the aircraft built to date (including all the passenger examples) as "747-8xx" or "747-8xxF", where "xx" is the traditional Boeing customer code that dates way back to the 707.
Only a dozen or so 747-8s have been built (all freighters) since Boeing discontinued those codes across all its products (the 787 and MAX have never used them).
So, for example, Lufthansa's B748s were built and registered as "747-830", Cathay's as "747-867F", etc, but UPS's are just "747-8F".
Even more confusing is what has happened to the designations for legacy Boeing types like the NG - for example Southwest's early B738s are "737-8H4", but its recent additions, though identical, are plain "737-800".
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Thanks - Sadly what was the Achilles heal of the -200SUD conversions, and also the 300 series, was that the upper deck floor was not strong enough for the new wave of big heavy electric F/J/C Class seats that were becoming de rigueur with all the legacy airlines - The seats simply were too heavy for the UD floor plus channelling the electrics posed issues.
The upper deck was of course more popular for F and J/C seats therefore the resale and re-use values of these two somewhat ''orphan fleets'' was not very good.
The -400 did not suffer from this UD floor issue.
The upper deck was of course more popular for F and J/C seats therefore the resale and re-use values of these two somewhat ''orphan fleets'' was not very good.
The -400 did not suffer from this UD floor issue.
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I think the '70s CP Air scheme was one of the best the 747 wore...
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While on the subject of liveries, BA's retro BOAC B744 is due to land at Heathrow in around a couple of hours' time.
