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Old 9th Feb 2019, 18:56
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FO under training for the left hand seat had a brain melt and stuffed the nose forward at low level. Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out....
Nice to have the AAIB on board, especially with such insight. But did you consider the possibility that all the passengers, seeing the problems the crew were having with gusts, decided to rush forward and advise them how to handle it? Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out....
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 19:23
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
Nice to have the AAIB on board, especially with such insight. But did you consider the possibility that all the passengers, seeing the problems the crew were having with gusts, decided to rush forward and advise them how to handle it? Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out....
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 20:50
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Excellent job by the professionals sat at the front

Well done to the crew.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 21:02
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Perfectly flown. Last minute windshear and gone around hence the reason to leave the gear down until above MSA.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 21:49
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Perfectly executed

Perfectly executed. Horrible ground level gusts at the time of this go around, excellent job done indeed. No reason to go around any earlier, all incoming flights were having very bumpy approaches at LHR most of yesterday and it would have meant all flights going around based on footage. GA started when appropriate and actually very very quickly considering the very sudden wind gust at basically ground level vs reaction time of pilot & then GA delay on aircraft.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747 View Post
Perfectly flown. Last minute windshear and gone around hence the reason to leave the gear down until above MSA.
Really? You’re confusing windshear with gpws. Back to flight sim.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 22:01
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Anyone know if the aircraft has flown again yet ? Or the max g load on touchdown?

Was it 27R and wind from the south ?
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Locked door View Post


Really? You’re confusing windshear with gpws. Back to flight sim.
Actually, the windshear escape manouvre calls for no configuration changes.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 22:09
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Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem View Post


Actually, the windshear escape manouvre calls for no configuration changes.
/bangs head against brick wall/

Correct, but MSA is irrelevant for windshear escape but very relevant for gpws escape.

I really wonder how many genuine commercial pilots there are on this forum.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 22:12
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The windshear escape manouvre does not consider terrain, it deals with windshear only.
You make me wonder.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 22:43
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M.A.S, he was picking on the MSA bit of the previous post, not the no-change of configuration. You are both on the same page.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 23:16
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Originally Posted by Locked door View Post


/bangs head against brick wall/

Correct, but MSA is irrelevant for windshear escape but very relevant for gpws escape.

I really wonder how many genuine commercial pilots there are on this forum.
I was already banging my head on the wall after the first one. Glad to see I've got some company!
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 23:35
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When do you think they pressed TOGA? Before first touchdown? Looked an impressive climb out, no doubt helped by the windspeed. Asking as SLF...
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 00:22
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Originally Posted by jurassicjockey View Post
I think that you're looking at the flaperons. The elevator is visually blocked by the wing except for when it goes up. There is a large amount of flaperon movement just before the * hits the wall
You could well be right as I didn't know they had flaperons.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 00:27
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As has been noted, it is difficult to see because the view is obscured by the wing, but it's almost as if the up-elevator anticipated the shear/gust. Commendably quick response on the part of the PF.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 02:40
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Without making comment about this particular go-around, is it mandatory to buzz off, or can one legally push it back on?
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 03:20
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Originally Posted by Suvarnabhumi View Post
Anyone know if the aircraft has flown again yet ?
I gather it had a hard landing check (as did a handful of other aircraft at LHR that day) and I believe flew again with little if any change to it’s next planned rotation.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 04:32
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or can one legally push it back on?
You could try, but this might be the result...

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Old 10th Feb 2019, 07:15
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs View Post
You could try, but this might be the result...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by4w6sapQ90
A tad dramatic perhaps but maybe. It depends. Maybe. In this case, probably not.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 07:38
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Have you seen the second approach, almost did the same thing but did not go-around and landed ok.I have replayed both arrivals many times and its strange that a lot of the other arrivals around that time before & after seemed ok considering the condition.
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