Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

cargo 707 down in Iran

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

cargo 707 down in Iran

Old 14th Jan 2019, 06:52
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UK
Age: 66
Posts: 841
Received 41 Likes on 21 Posts
cargo 707 down in Iran

Seems sadly a Boeing 707 cargo flight has crashed in Iran - reports 10 crew did not survive The plane went down near Fath airport, near Karaj in the central Iranian province of Alborz in poor wx.
Reuters
Not immediately clear who owned the plane. A spokesman for Iran’s civil aviation told state TV that the plane belonged to Kyrgyzstan. A spokeswoman for Kyrgyzstan’s Manas airport said the plane, en route from Kyrgyzstan’s Manas airport, says belonged to Iran’s Payam Air but other reports say that the plane belonged to the Iranian military's air force. 16 souls on board.
rog747 is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 07:00
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: schermoney and left front seat
Age: 57
Posts: 2,438
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
According to the Avherald, they landed at the wrong airfield and overran the rwy...

Avherald
His dudeness is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 07:51
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,805
Received 199 Likes on 92 Posts
Originally Posted by rog747
Not immediately clear who owned the plane. A spokesman for Iran’s civil aviation told state TV that the plane belonged to Kyrgyzstan. A spokeswoman for Kyrgyzstan’s Manas airport said the plane, en route from Kyrgyzstan’s Manas airport, says belonged to Iran’s Payam Air but other reports say that the plane belonged to the Iranian military's air force. 16 souls on board.
Most sources show it as being operated by the Iranian Air Force. Delivered new to them in 1976, flew for Saha during most of the Noughties before returning to the IRIAF in 2009.
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 07:54
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UK
Age: 66
Posts: 841
Received 41 Likes on 21 Posts
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Most sources show it as being operated by the Iranian Air Force. Delivered new to them in 1976, flew for Saha during most of the Noughties before returning to the IRIAF in 2009.
thanks for the update Dave - some airline pals of mine did enthusiasts flights some years ago on a SAHA 707
rog747 is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 08:22
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SA
Age: 40
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Viz reported as 3000m. Given the proximity of Fath to Karaj (5nms) and that Fath sits more or less on the final approach to Karah, is this a case of during a non precision approach aiming for the first runway that they saw? The far smaller runway at Fath perhaps giving the illusion that it was farther away than it really was? Very sad, and given that something similar happened almost happened in November, surely avoidable.
EladElap is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 08:29
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Uka Duka
Posts: 1,003
Received 37 Likes on 13 Posts
Originally Posted by EladElap
Very sad, and given that something similar happened almost happened in November, surely avoidable.
Indeed, different wx though as that one was being vectored then cleared for a visual after declaring (wrong) runway in sight.

Incident: Taban MD88 at Karaj on Nov 16th 2018, went around from very low height at wrong airport
Auxtank is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 08:34
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: DFFD Ouagadougou
Age: 62
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The runway they landed on is only 1,200 m long as opposed to the runway they were supposed to land on, 3,600 m. I wonder what nav equipment they had on board?

According to my Jepp there are only VOR/DME and NDB approaches available.
Raffles S.A. is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 08:49
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Does 16 strike anyone else as a rather large crew for a cargo flight?
A Squared is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 09:00
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Raffles S.A.
I wonder what nav equipment they had on board?
Doesn't really matter. In recent memory pilots have managed to land at the wrong airport in an A320, 737-700, C-17 and the Boeing LCF "Dreamlifter" Modern Avionics seems not to be a cure for landing in the wrong place.
A Squared is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 09:19
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
Age: 52
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by A Squared
Does 16 strike anyone else as a rather large crew for a cargo flight?
Not sure if the 16 applies only to souls on board or if this includes soules on the ground as well.

Either way - R.I.P. - sad story
JustPrivatePilot is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 09:25
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JustPrivatePilot
Not sure if the 16 applies only to souls on board or if this includes soules on the ground as well.

Either way - R.I.P. - sad story
The linked article says crew but it's certainly possible that is a reporting/translation error and that some were ground fatalities.
A Squared is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:12
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: UK
Age: 79
Posts: 1,086
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hmmmm - is this one of the last 707s in service?, there cannot be many left other than the USAF tankers etc.
The Ancient Geek is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:15
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,534
Received 47 Likes on 29 Posts
In recent memory pilots have managed to land at the wrong airport in an A320, 737-700, C-17 and the Boeing LCF "Dreamlifter"
Add a Saudi Arabian B747 in 2013 in India to the list, very similar circumstances.
https://www.business-standard.com/ar...0301058_1.html

This B707 must be one of the last in the world to still have been flying and at 43 years old I doubt the avionics were up to modern day standards. Simulator training would also be considerably behind what we take for granted today, if it was available at all.

Unfortunately until Iran comes in from the cold and meets the requirements to have sanctions lifted, its aviation sectors both civil and military will continue to suffer.
krismiler is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:37
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SA
Age: 40
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Also an Ethiopian 767 which landed at Arusha instead of Kili Intl mistakenly in 2013...
https://news.aviation-safety.net/201...ding-incident/
EladElap is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 13:54
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Esher, Surrey
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46861324
beamender99 is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 16:06
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 889
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by A Squared
The linked article says crew but it's certainly possible that is a reporting/translation error and that some were ground fatalities.
Saw some pictures on line and it hit some houses so I would think it includes those residents as well.
vctenderness is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 16:15
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: the hills of halton
Age: 71
Posts: 809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek
Hmmmm - is this one of the last 707s in service?, there cannot be many left other than the USAF tankers etc.
Etc. Includes E3 Awacs , how many on civil registers

None according to Wikipedia , I had thought there were a lot more built.

Faa register lists 18740,18835,18839,20177,18586,21368,20804 and 21049
widgeon is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 16:42
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Missouri
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by widgeon
Etc. Includes E3 Awacs , how many on civil registers
The E3 is supposed to be built on a 717 frame, but to the untrained eye, I could not spot the difference.

Jon
jmelson is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 17:38
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,805
Received 199 Likes on 92 Posts
Originally Posted by jmelson
The E3 is supposed to be built on a 717 frame, but to the untrained eye, I could not spot the difference.
If it had been built on the 717 frame, you would certainly be able to tell the difference.

The (original) Boeing 717 was the model designation for initial variants of the C-135/KC-135 Stratolifter/Stratotanker. The E-3 is based on the 707.
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2019, 17:40
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,805
Received 199 Likes on 92 Posts
Originally Posted by vctenderness
Saw some pictures on line and it hit some houses so I would think it includes those residents as well.
The houses were reportedly empty, at least at the time of the accident, so there were no ground fatalities.
DaveReidUK is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.