777-300 Landing Tailstrike 11 Dec 2018 in Hong Kong
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777-300 Landing Tailstrike 11 Dec 2018 in Hong Kong
I just learned of this event today. A quick look through PPRUNE rumors and news did not reveal any previous thread about this one.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...strike-454428/
From what I saw it seems the tail damage was fairly extensive. I'm interested in both the status of this bird and any details anyone may have about that landing.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...strike-454428/
From what I saw it seems the tail damage was fairly extensive. I'm interested in both the status of this bird and any details anyone may have about that landing.
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Ironic that i only watched a documentary on YouTube yesterday about rampant fatigue at 'Air Canada', i wonder if it had anything to do with this? They did mention that Canada were in the process of reducing the hours form 1200 (iirc) to bring them in line with the FAA as they had the third highest flight hours . Id be interested to hear other peoples thoughts on it.
Interesting. The 777-300 has software tailstrike protection which reduces elevator deflection but it still has a tail skid, strike detector and a checklist, so obviously not thought to be infallible...
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Full Wings. Depends on model. Earlier ones had tail skid and no protection and later ones have no skid and a computer to protect. However one thing is for sure.. nothing is infallible.
Earlier aircraft can have the software upgrade and the tailskid removed, though the weight savings are obviously less. I think a similar SB is also available for non-ER -300s.
I believe all -300ERs have some degree of tailstrike protection embedded in the flight control software. Later production aircraft have enhanced protection, which enabled them to be built without the tailskid, resulting in significant weight savings when all the extra structure needed for it was eliminated.
Earlier aircraft can have the software upgrade and the tailskid removed, though the weight savings are obviously less. I think a similar SB is also available for non-ER -300s.
Earlier aircraft can have the software upgrade and the tailskid removed, though the weight savings are obviously less. I think a similar SB is also available for non-ER -300s.
I stand to be corrected but I believe Boeing’s tailstrike protection system is a ‘soft’ limiter
You know it’s there when it operates but you can ‘pull through it’ if you have to
like all their FBW limiting systems they can be overridden by applying more force if necessary
I stand to be corrected but I believe Boeing’s tailstrike protection system is a ‘soft’ limiter
You know it’s there when it operates but you can ‘pull through it’ if you have to
like all their FBW limiting systems they can be overridden by applying more force if necessary
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like all their FBW limiting systems they can be overridden by applying more force if necessary
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HK Air Accident Investigation Authority released its Preliminary Report. I don't have enough posts to include the link here.
Interesting read. I was on that AC 15 on Dec 11 2018. It's one of my regular routes.
Interesting read. I was on that AC 15 on Dec 11 2018. It's one of my regular routes.
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Thank you for posting the link.My recorded notes on Dec 11 upon arrival had some of the same details noted in the prelim report. Plus flying as pax, we had different views rolling to the right while seated just in front of the wing on the starboard side. Knew there would be damage with the first hit. We also felt more than one bounce. She was already at the Haeco facility prior to my departure on connecting flight. She is still there.
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According to the preliminary report, this was the FOs first landing in the 777 since simulator (type) training. Although the report notes that Air Canada’s SOP is to disengage the autopilot at 400 agl, I’m pretty confident that this isn’t enough time to get a ‘feel’ for the aircraft; especially for someone so new to it.
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Report also indicates late change to parallel runway. Sounds like an appropriate situation for extra briefing to be ready for and execute a go around if not sufficiently stable. Had the FO had any time on that flight hand flying prior to disconnect at 400 ft? The cost of this event could have paid for a lot more training including some hand flying in the real thing. With a high enough pilot gain any airplane can be made to PIO.