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B) 18/12/23 18:44 C) 18/12/23 22:00 E) ALL BIRMINGHAM ATC SERVICE IS SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE DUE TO A SYSTEM FAILURE. DELAY NOT DETERMINED.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-46668635
Several flights already diverted to EMA, MAN and LHR whilst the LH FRA flight has gone back to FRA..
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So could be shorter - or longer. Electronic Flight Plan system is down according to the Beeb
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What I don’t get is why you need the flight planning computer to let aircraft land?
They were stacked in the hold anyway, just do it all procedurally. What do you need a flight planning computer for?
At that time last night it was practically VFR conditions anyway.
They were stacked in the hold anyway, just do it all procedurally. What do you need a flight planning computer for?
At that time last night it was practically VFR conditions anyway.
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Nobody said there was any sort of radar failure.
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What with this and drones that might, or might not, be somewhere...
The UK is getting to the stage where we can't survive in the wild! We are now having to hold risk assessment meetings to see if it's safe to make a risk assessment. We insure our insurance policies. No-one feels confident to make a common sense decision, for fear of breaking a rule that might be there, or not.
One of these days we're going to run a round in such tight circles that we're going to disappear up you know where.
The UK is getting to the stage where we can't survive in the wild! We are now having to hold risk assessment meetings to see if it's safe to make a risk assessment. We insure our insurance policies. No-one feels confident to make a common sense decision, for fear of breaking a rule that might be there, or not.
One of these days we're going to run a round in such tight circles that we're going to disappear up you know where.
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Jonty, I was thinking the same thing , but I already knew the answer: Controllers can't control and pilots can't fly anymore without the aid of modern technology. It's a fact of life, but the cost of maintaining steam powered proficiency for these once in a million glitches is not financially viable.
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Jonty, I was thinking the same thing , but I already knew the answer: Controllers can't control and pilots can't fly anymore without the aid of modern technology. It's a fact of life, but the cost of maintaining steam powered proficiency for these once in a million glitches is not financially viable.
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I think all the inconvenienced passengers might disagree with that.
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Air traffic has changed so much since the days of being able to do things procedurally that it would be impossible to do it with the current levels of traffic we have in the UK. Those basic skills aren't trained anymore as there's no point having them
FFS - what happened to telephone calls from the centre to the airfield and then giving a radar handover? I'll ask Swanwick ATCO son and D-I-L when they arrive in half an hour!!
I am yet to understand why aircraft holding with in range of the airport couldn’t go on to land. At worst you would release one from the hold to self position and fly the ILS, once landed you release the next one. The go around keeps aircraft well clear of the holding stack. One wonders how aircraft fly without ATC?!?
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If the ATCOs have lost flight data, that will likely include their electronic strips, which will include all the aircraft on the airfield that have started and are moving, recovering that situation will mean a complete stop on new movements.
Recovery from that will take time, reversion to hand written strips is only possible if you have the data to hand AND there is provision for it.
Data transfer at large airfields, both in and out is electronic, you cannot magic a EGBB inbound coordinator out of the air at Swanwick or Prestwick centres, there are just not the staff or procedures to do it.
If EGBB called a stop, they did so for very good reasons.
Recovery from that will take time, reversion to hand written strips is only possible if you have the data to hand AND there is provision for it.
Data transfer at large airfields, both in and out is electronic, you cannot magic a EGBB inbound coordinator out of the air at Swanwick or Prestwick centres, there are just not the staff or procedures to do it.
If EGBB called a stop, they did so for very good reasons.
What with this and drones that might, or might not, be somewhere...
The UK is getting to the stage where we can't survive in the wild! We are now having to hold risk assessment meetings to see if it's safe to make a risk assessment. We insure our insurance policies. No-one feels confident to make a common sense decision, for fear of breaking a rule that might be there, or not.
One of these days we're going to run a round in such tight circles that we're going to disappear up you know where.
The UK is getting to the stage where we can't survive in the wild! We are now having to hold risk assessment meetings to see if it's safe to make a risk assessment. We insure our insurance policies. No-one feels confident to make a common sense decision, for fear of breaking a rule that might be there, or not.
One of these days we're going to run a round in such tight circles that we're going to disappear up you know where.
