eQRH an EFB
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eQRH an EFB
Hello everybody,
so I would like to discuss the upcoming eQRH on EFBs.
Would do you think about it? Especially when you think of using it in an emergency Situation with smoke and/or turbulence.
Isn´t it faster and safer to use the "old" QRH in a paper version?
What do you think?
Thanks,
Christian
so I would like to discuss the upcoming eQRH on EFBs.
Would do you think about it? Especially when you think of using it in an emergency Situation with smoke and/or turbulence.
Isn´t it faster and safer to use the "old" QRH in a paper version?
What do you think?
Thanks,
Christian
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In my experience it's an improvement once you get used to it but it does take training and practice.
It's important to have a well designed eQRH app (not just a PDF file of the paper checklist loaded on an ipad) as it allows for features that a paper checklist cannot - ours for example has an interactive Caution Warning panel where you click on the Caption you've got and it takes you to the appropriate page. It has links in the processes that take you to associated procedures (Such as lowering the gear using backup systems in the case of a hydraulic problem). It also has a traditional index of procedures if you wish to find them in the normal manner.
So... as long as you've got a well designed app and you put the effort into getting really familiar with how it works (just as you would any other procedure or change) then i think it's a real improvement.
Good luck
OH
It's important to have a well designed eQRH app (not just a PDF file of the paper checklist loaded on an ipad) as it allows for features that a paper checklist cannot - ours for example has an interactive Caution Warning panel where you click on the Caption you've got and it takes you to the appropriate page. It has links in the processes that take you to associated procedures (Such as lowering the gear using backup systems in the case of a hydraulic problem). It also has a traditional index of procedures if you wish to find them in the normal manner.
So... as long as you've got a well designed app and you put the effort into getting really familiar with how it works (just as you would any other procedure or change) then i think it's a real improvement.
Good luck
OH
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The 787 electronic checklist works seemlessly,with standard paper backup in usual place.
Fuel leak checklist can be a 48 step pain,unless you use some logical thought.
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Different thing though. eQRH means electronic instead of the paper backup, it will remove the paper on board. I used an eQRH for a while which also replaced the paper checklists. As OverHawk mentions, a well designed application is actually quite an improvement over the paper version, as it can add additional prompting, information and direct links. Not to mention that you can mark steps as done so you know where you are in a procedure.
A checklist on a tablet EFB is not the same thing as one that is built in to the display system in an aircraft. With hands shaking from a traumatic event (it does happen), it's much easier to press the keys on the aircraft control panel than to touch the correct place on the screen of a tablet.
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A checklist on a tablet EFB is not the same thing as one that is built in to the display system in an aircraft. With hands shaking from a traumatic event (it does happen), it's much easier to press the keys on the aircraft control panel than to touch the correct place on the screen of a tablet.
It might be upcoming for you, but others have been using eQRH on iPad for a while now.
It is a bit of an attitude adjustment, but works well. The A320 eQRH smoke procedure in particular is a vast improvement over the paper one. Familiarity is important.
I’m not a bit fan of the eQRH for normal checklist, it works ok but it is annoying having to flick back and forth from the approach plates, as such personally I prefer to use paper checklist.
It is a bit of an attitude adjustment, but works well. The A320 eQRH smoke procedure in particular is a vast improvement over the paper one. Familiarity is important.
I’m not a bit fan of the eQRH for normal checklist, it works ok but it is annoying having to flick back and forth from the approach plates, as such personally I prefer to use paper checklist.
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If you have an eQRH ( and some are very good ) then you need a paper back up to cover the situation of electrical problems disabling the eQRH or smoke in the cockpit that reduces visibility.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
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If you have an eQRH ( and some are very good ) then you need a paper back up to cover the situation of electrical problems disabling the eQRH or smoke in the cockpit that reduces visibility.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
If you have an eQRH ( and some are very good ) then you need a paper back up to cover the situation of electrical problems disabling the eQRH or smoke in the cockpit that reduces visibility.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
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Or a bug or virus that is time triggered. Or a hack. Or electrostatic event like a lightning strike.
I'd rather there was at least one paper copy, personally, just in case.
In the US it is a requirement that they be secured in a mount. A total electrical failure at night is unlikely also but would make a paper checklist hard to use. One hand on a flashlight that takes time to find and the other holding a checklist. A EFB would provide decent cockpit illumination just by turning it on.
If you have an eQRH ( and some are very good ) then you need a paper back up to cover the situation of electrical problems disabling the eQRH or smoke in the cockpit that reduces visibility.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
I know both situations are unlikely but Sod’s law says it will happen to someone some time.
Airbus don’t provide a paper QRH and haven’t for 2 years.
And the EFBs have to be in an approved mount.
No, they provide a QRH on PDF which some companies can take the option of printing and binding into a paper QRH themselves. The supplied already printed QRH material from AB ceased in 2016 ish.
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True, but that is just a logistics excercise. Those PDFs are not supposed to be used in elec. form (though many may have decided to do so).
As well, technically the FLT OPS ENG will generate the files in-house, the whole agenda have been off-loaded towards the customer.
As well, technically the FLT OPS ENG will generate the files in-house, the whole agenda have been off-loaded towards the customer.
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Terrible idea; the last thing one needs in a serious emergency is to be trying to coax vital information from a poorly-indexed user-unfriendly device which you’re also using for the approach plates to get the aircraft on the ground. I concede this may be partly a reflection of the particular (HP) device selected by my employer.
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One thing for sure, having the Normal C/L laminated sheet removed is sheer madness.
The Airbus OEM application for FCOM/MEL is quite fine, their eQRH goes even a bit beyond in terms of HMI. The N-CL part is a properly designed app.
But the use on a window mounted unit is dreadful. The forward field / offside field of vision issues are thoroughly ignored.
As a consequence it feels a retrograde step on the PM side, whether or not he actually checks something. Odds tilted the wrong way.
Case study: LO VIZ taxi out. The responsibilities are
- monitor movement, eyes out
- read the challenges, head dowb
- verify the items, eyes in
The first is the absolute priority. As long as one can blend the other two together (moving head with CL in hand, in view) it can be done quickly and safely whilst maintaining a reasonable lookout.
Enter electronic C/L mounted on the side window: each of the three becomes an exclusive cognitive task. And you may even be required to press a button for each of the steps!
Don't like it. Synthetic voice would be fine, best with a voice recognition to kill the items off the list. Future please come fast.
The Airbus OEM application for FCOM/MEL is quite fine, their eQRH goes even a bit beyond in terms of HMI. The N-CL part is a properly designed app.
But the use on a window mounted unit is dreadful. The forward field / offside field of vision issues are thoroughly ignored.
As a consequence it feels a retrograde step on the PM side, whether or not he actually checks something. Odds tilted the wrong way.
Case study: LO VIZ taxi out. The responsibilities are
- monitor movement, eyes out
- read the challenges, head dowb
- verify the items, eyes in
The first is the absolute priority. As long as one can blend the other two together (moving head with CL in hand, in view) it can be done quickly and safely whilst maintaining a reasonable lookout.
Enter electronic C/L mounted on the side window: each of the three becomes an exclusive cognitive task. And you may even be required to press a button for each of the steps!
Don't like it. Synthetic voice would be fine, best with a voice recognition to kill the items off the list. Future please come fast.
Our mount allows for it to be easily removed with one hand. Many Airbus guys have it on the tray table on the ground. The case props it up. Once you taxi in low vis with a EFB with own ship positioning you will NEVER want to be without it again.
ECL's are great. However, the occasion that we filled up with smoke in the cockpit, the checklist could not be read. The FO could not see the Pack switches above his head. They were at least able to be found by feel from the other seat. ECL's and QRH's are great, sometimes the situation may make it hard to follow them. In light of the most recent 777 electrical anomalies, a continuous concern of mine has always been the time it takes to get down to essential only power by the checklist when in a smoke or fire situation.